TRA Trolls - can we just say NO?

[BlueEyedBogWitch]

A full thread of NO’s might be more powerful than trying to reason with someone who is not interested in reason.

Just one ‘NO’ each, until they get bored and go away. Every time.

After all, it sums up our arguments very succinctly.

No no I didn’t. I said if you were a survivor of SA why did you find it difficult to accept that sharing spaces with males would cause distress and trauma to women. I didn’t mock you or minimise your trauma. I just queued your lack of empathy towards women.

Yet having a male, a fully intact male, in a female safe single sex space most certainly does rape and assault survivors profound distress. This is a basic fact that doesn't need to be explained to any decent human being. Saying "nope" to cutting rape survivors flack is offensive and belittles a rape survivor's experience.

*slack. Not flack.

I don’t seem to recall your name on the threads then. (This was a few years ago.) I think you might have me mixed up with someone else.

Nah you also said you thought I must be making it up.

Anyways it doesn't really matter.

This was probably four or so years ago and I don’t remember the thread title. I don’t care to search for it, no, because that would likely give you and others fuel for extra goading. I don’t think I was using this username then anyway. It did occur and it bothered me because it wouldn’t have happened to most posters on the board. In fact, I remember just a few days after that a board regular disclosed some SA and the reaction was quite different.

What’s goading about asking you to back up what you say, especially as what you’re alleging is pretty serious? I would say stating ‘my own experience of CSA was mocked and dismissed by the regulars’ is ultimate goading.

Lots of women on this board have personal experience of sexual violence. Generally I think the board is a supportive place for survivors. Obviously not all survivors agree about the importance of women only spaces but for many of us (like JK Rowling) it’s why we fight for them.

I don’t think people should be making vague accusations smearing posters on FWR as if they are a hive mind if they aren’t prepared to back them up. I can say with all confidence I have never mocked or dismissed anyone’s account of sexual violence.

Yes, that was mind-blowing, wasn't it? It was the point where I lost any remaining shreds of respect for Tandora and her attempts to tell us what being trans really is.

You’ve done this before, and I won’t be caught again, thanks. If I provide a link, it will be pulled to bits. Again.

I didn’t accuse you, or anyone, personally or directly. I think you should be more concerned about the treatment SA survivors receive here than the reputation of the FWR board.

Quite a few posters were very concerned (read, appalled) at Tandora’s treatment of a rape survivor. I’m glad you have acknowledged this, thank you.

Done what before? Ask for evidence? Yes absolutely. You directly? No.

Colour me shocked though that none is forthcoming.

I agree. The FWR reputation is completely beyond repair at this point!

Yes you did accuse “the usual suspects” of which I consider to be quite a small group of regular female posters here who the “usual” scolders don’t like. I’m very concerned about SA survivors, and I’m also concerned that you are making insinuations and smears against regular posters here that you can’t or won’t back up. Thanks for the acknowledgement it wasn’t anything to do with me, though, it’s appreciated.

If people don’t find FWR to their taste, it’s entirely within their ability to ignore threads or individual posters. I’m not engaging further with several posters on this thread.

Viewing it, posting on it or paying it any care or attention isn't compulsory.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson 👍🏻

That is your opinion. I encourage you to evaluate your opinion in regards to your future contributions here. No one is forced to post here, only if you do it has to be in line with the guidelines.

If you have any issue with a post, you should report it. If you haven’t reported it, that is your own decision which then contributes to what posts remain.

I'd actually really like it if FWR was a place where people could post in a way that they're fairly sure communicates what they mean unambiguously, so that being "pulled apart" for what you've posted means nothing more than being questioned on your own honestly held view - for many of us it is that, although obviously we can all post things that get interpreted wrongly, or meant as a joke but taken literally.

This is how communication and respectful debate of ideas happens.

And I think if someone's not entirely sure of their position on a topic, or knows that it entails problems, it's a good place to hash it out.

God knows I realise that my belief that each sex doesn't have a distinct corresponding set of character traits is at odds with sexist people and some TRAs, even some strands of religious thought but I acknowledge that is where we differ and I'm unlikely to change my mind unless there is evidence otherwise.

I don't think anyone expects purity of mind - but "good faith" as in trying to genuinely work out what it is someone's trying to say without automatically assuming the worst take, is always very valuable.

Thanks for the condescension, I don’t know why you don’t think I know any of this. I do report posts, which get removed.

I can see why this board has a reputation it does and it’s totally justified.

One for the 90’s kids

I think neurodiverse people tend to post factually in that sort of way - I'm sure I do - and it's not necessarily intended as 'condescending' - it would be courteous if people could accept this and, as I said, post in good faith so it's easy for all to navigate the discussion.

Ok. Anyone who even politely replies to your posts is bullying or somehow victimising you. And yet you are able to post accusations and generally denigrate the board. I get it. Thanks confirming.