TRA Trolls - can we just say NO?

[BlueEyedBogWitch]

A full thread of NO’s might be more powerful than trying to reason with someone who is not interested in reason.

Just one ‘NO’ each, until they get bored and go away. Every time.

After all, it sums up our arguments very succinctly.

Here you go, a woman recounted her experience of being raped, to explain why she finds it difficult to be around men and wouldn't want to be in an enclosed space with a transw - and a dismissive response:

I don't accept that recognising and accepting the realty/ validity of a trans woman's experience causes women at large 'profound distress'. If you were DU's mother I might cut you a bit of slack there. Otherwise - nope.

My 'beliefs' are not 'fanatical', they are bog standard mainstream beliefs based on science and logic. Your beliefs are the fanatical ones.

It is exactly what you are doing and you know it.

...because of your fanatical beliefs about sex and gender...

Fanatical? Ie not pretending to agree that gender is the same as sex? Not flying in the face of medico scientific facts?

OK.

"fanatical beliefs" !!

Does accusing others of being rude and then being rude count as hypocrisy? 🤔

You obviously lack reading comprehension as I never accused anyone of rudeness. I accused people of bullying, and people have predictably continued to prove my point on that one.

quite the ray of sunshine aren’t you?

I mean if you’re worried about the tone posters use, yours is pretty confrontational. Just sayin

I don’t need your tone policing.

See ya 👋🏻

<checks self>

yep, still here

Along with ‘snide retorts’. To which you replied to another poster with a…. snide retort. Your replies on this and other threads are always so angry and aggressive, especially towards women who want to retain single sex spaces away from men.

Are you sure these toxic, echo chamber boards are for you?

Of course, predictably you are here with the same tired responses and accusations. Yawn.

These angry echo chambers are not for me, no. Although it is fascinating psychologically, I am very glad that my real life is full of people who are more moderate and tolerant. I have posted as I have seen bullying behaviour towards a poster who holds different views which are seemingly intolerable.

The same posters will defend extreme right wing political figures who literally want to erode women’s rights and freedoms, just because they align on the politics of gender. It is fanatical and bizarre at this point. Defend a racist, sexist bigot but then repeatedly try to tear down and attack a poster who has empathy for trans people. Its laughable.

They have empathy for males. Not for 'trans people'. Strangely they have no empathy at all whatsoever for females.

Why is it fanatical to say that women’s single sex spaces are needed, have been hard fought for and should remain as they are, for the sex that is women?

You called out snide retorts then gave a snide retort yourself. If me calling this out is ‘tired and predictable’ then maybe stop with the hypocrisy, I’d have nothing to call out then would I.

I couldn’t think of a more monumental waste of my time than hanging around toxic echo chambers arguing points that haven’t occurred and accusing posters of behaviours I’m displaying myself but you do you I guess. It’s your time to waste.

I would maybe ask yourself what is it about women not wanting men (the nice ones, the bad ones, the trans identifying ones) in their spaces and sports, and calling out others for dismantling this, that gets you SO angry? Why is that do you think.

Imagine if the women who turn up regularly on FWR to complain what a nasty echo chamber it is put the same amount of effort into making coherent and defendable proposals for accommodating trans people without impacting female rights and protections! We might get somewhere!

Pro tip: the best way to show up someone's bad arguments is to have better ones.

Oh, you’re still here. Heaven knows what your ‘see ya’ meant then

I’m interested in your characterisation of a poster essentially pointing out that sex is dimorphic and immutable as ‘a rant’

as asked previously, do you believe humans have more than 2 sexes? Do you believe humans can swap between sexes?

I’m trying to understand why the views that prevail here make you so angry

This thread is proceeding along utterly predictable lines I see.

What @FlirtsWithRhinos said.

True. I dunno why I’m engaging Eresh

essentially posters with mad, irrational views that they can’t justify (because they’re mad and irrational) get bent out of shape by people pointing out that their views are mad and irrational

with a side order of ‘you’re a bully’, ‘no you’re a bully’

Very well put, @BernardBlacksMolluscs

Defending and prioritising men’s feelings and pushing them to be allowed into women’s spaces over a woman rape victim’s feelings and her not wanting males in her personal space as a result is intolerable, yes. Not seemingly, it’s very intolerable, and you have the nerve to accuse others of lack of empathy?!

It’s not bullying to robustly challenge this view when this poster regularly posts views that don’t make sense and go against science and logic, and are never well defended. And for the most part - harm women. She did mock and minimise a rape victim’s feelings. It’s there for all to see.

Work on your own ‘comprehension skills’ if you don’t understand this.

Even if not one person had one iota of a belief about sex, it would still be true that there are just two of them. It is not a fanatical belief to know this.

Again.

I completely stand by this statement.

It had nothing to do with the personal background of any other user - it wasn't a reply to that- nor was in any way a comment on their individual circumstances or distress.

The point I was making was general and I believe it is absolutely true.

I'll say it again to you all.

I don't accept that recognising and accepting the realty/ validity of a transwoman's experience causes women at large 'profound distress'.

If you were DU's mother I might cut you a bit of slack there. Otherwise - nope.

Thank you xx

it depends what you mean by recognise and accept

do I have to do anything off the back of that recognition and acceptance, like use wrong sex pronouns or compromise my privacy by sharing single sex spaces with people you would refer to as transwomen?