TRA Trolls - can we just say NO?

[BlueEyedBogWitch]

A full thread of NO’s might be more powerful than trying to reason with someone who is not interested in reason.

Just one ‘NO’ each, until they get bored and go away. Every time.

After all, it sums up our arguments very succinctly.

Yes. One of them is a belief system that demands that trans people's gender identity - self knowldge that is undefinable, undetectable and unfalsifiable - be prioritised over the physical sex of their body when it comes to single sex language, rights, provisions and opportunities, while simultaneously requiring that trans people's beliefs about gender override everyone else's own self knowledge!! That one is a real doozy, right?

Me neither. The shark is being jumped many times, but the one that did it for me was men have exactly the same issues as women, when women's biological functions fail because men don't have those biological functions.

AGP writ large

Let's do that. I've actually genuinely appreciated talking to you.

😂

I mostly ask questions and listen

Ah, a trans woman's perfect cis woman ❤

I still can't get past the abhorrent behaviour toward posters such as Taztoy and Bombshelter, amongst others.

Brilliant. I see that thread you proposed/threatened is forthcoming. Good news indeed.

You sympathy is noted but unnecessary, Tandora. 😉I had never before had the good fortune to find an online space where such a number of fiercely intelligent, highly professionally-qualified and perceptive women choose to congregate and debate issues which really matter to me. No wonder I keep coming back.

As an aside, I'd like a little bit of sympathy for the fact that I'm just like an impotent man, because I can't get an erection

That was an interesting invasion. Having contributed nothing to the deep pool of analysis and humour that are the MAFS threads, they arrived like pondscum. Hopefully to be skimmed off soon.

When you say that a trans women's gender identity should give her access to resources that her body sex would not, that is exactly what you are saying.

When you say that a trans women's gender identity makes her a woman when her sex would not, that is exactly what you are saying.

When you tell women they should understand that a trans women is a woman like them when his sex means he is not, that is exactly what you are saying.

We can all see you are resorting to "No it's not that" again, but just own it Tandora. You've argued - well asserted anyway - passionately for all the above. Why so shy now?

...and part of what makes it great is not saying no (as per the thread title); drawing people like Tandora in to expose their incoherence.

Operation: let them speak.

Never fails

Well she definitely doesn't ANSWER any questions.

I sometimes entertain that Tandora is actually the most GC person alive undercover, as her batshit crazy posts do all the heavy lifting for those against rabid trans ideology.

Yet you still can't put into words exactly what it means to be trans in a way others who lack that experience can understand and analyse, nor do you appear to grasp why women might be so unhappy at the entry of trans-identifying men into our single-sex spaces, services and sports.

Oh Tandora, we follow your thinking just fine.

We just think it's terribly terribly facile.

"How do you know you are a woman? Maybe it's not your body at all! Maybe it's really a special gland in your brain secreting the self knowledge of womanhod and some of the people you think are men actually have it too! Didchaevethinkof thatthen? Didcha? Bet you wish you were as openminded and visionary as me, you sad dull women worrying about toilets and childcare and anti-women politics and the injustice of marginalising women's voices"

You'll be asking us next if we've ever considered we might not all perceive colours the same way!

Then there is the question of how we should treat that person. Should we treat them according to how they understand themselves? or according to the rules of social convention based on what we can observe about their physical traits?
Well that is a values based question - also informed by the perceived consequences of each course of action.

Consequences that, of course, impact more than just him.

Because if you accept that his expereince is just another way to be a woman, you unwrite the significance of the female body to the experiences and history and challenges of women, and instead group us artbitrarily with some men that we don't see any commonality with simply because he feels we do.

And if you accept he should be accomodated in women-only spaces, take women's opportunities, speak as a represententative of woman from his own male-embodied experience about what women need, you take these things away from women who may have their own needs and reasons that are embodied in their experiences as female.

But you don't care about that.

Don'y worry, we see very clearly that you are very much a good little woman with appropriate amounts of empathy for all the important women (the male ones).

It's a shame you have none left over for the female ones, but we know where your priorities lie.

Oh, get a grip. Take a look at your own abhorrent behaviour. No self awareness whatsoever.

Totally.

I hope you don't dismiss my nervousness about not going for a prostate exam. Many men don't go, and I'm not going either, I totally understand why they feel nervous about it and decline.

Please don't dismiss me just because my experience is not identical.

Yes I do find it amusing when people express outrage at me being rude to a poster

I bet

I mean.... the other side of that would be to say, that GC feminists are going to have to realise that they don't have the entitlement to throw trans people out of public facilities . End of issue.

We don't need to throw trans people out of public facilities, nor would we want to. The Supreme Court has confirmed that the law says that they can use public facilities just like everyone else - but those of their own biological sex, not the other, or failing that, gender-neutral ones.

🤣

Sounds like Tandora isn't aware of the Supreme Court ruling.