TRA Trolls - can we just say NO?

[BlueEyedBogWitch]

A full thread of NO’s might be more powerful than trying to reason with someone who is not interested in reason.

Just one ‘NO’ each, until they get bored and go away. Every time.

After all, it sums up our arguments very succinctly.

So you're saying that there are some people in society, who have nothing wrong with them, but who benefit from medical interventions?

@Tandora

Unfortunately in the UK trans people undergo a lot of coercive psychological interventions which are unethical and harmful.

That's a bold claim, indeed. Would you care to link us some credible information on this? Not from Pink News, Mermaids, Trans Actual, or similar activists.

Thanks in advance!

Yep of course. Did you see this post:

The reason people seek medical interventions is because it may be the only effective means of relieving the acute psychological stress associated with gender dysphoria, and allowing trans people to feel comfortable in their bodies.
These treatments could be compared to types of cosmetic surgeries that might be performed on the NHS because of say profound psychological distress caused by a "disfigurement" or something. It's not that the body is "wrong", it's just the person can't live with it psychological because of how "wrong" it looks to them.

Access to contraception and abortion might be another example.

I think this about the statistics around SA and VAWG which always lists cis-men as the perpetrators. It’s probably largely true, but certainly in my case I didn’t hang around the (biological) men who assaulted me to ask them their thoughts and feelings on their gender.

I’m sure the stats are way off because women report an assault by a man, and it will be assumed it was a cis-man because they weren’t wearing a dress. But who knows what goes on inside the minds of strangers!

So if I want to have a part of my body “fixed” because the sight of it causes me profound distress, the nhs should do that for me?

So, there is nothing whatsoever wrong with having a 6" round growth hanging off your chin, but it's fine for doctors to cut it off anyway, for cosmetic reasons? Likewise there is nothing wrong with feeling like a woman even though you're a man, but it's fine for doctors to cut it off anyway, for cosmetic reasons?

Really? You're making a link to contraception and abortion?

And of course, how those accomodations affect others and is that reasonable to ask of them.

That's what you meant to include, right?

Wooooahhh.
so what you’re saying is that I was offered an abortion because I couldn’t cope with how “wrong “ I felt my baby was, not because that baby wasnt going to live by diagnostics done by medics and the medics thought it was kinder all round not to grow and birth a baby that was going to die and put me through 25 weeks of knowing my baby wasn’t going to survive and a labour at the end?

The irony is that Pink News, Mermaids, Trans Actual are the people exercising coercive psychological interventions which are unethical and harmful on and to trans people

I am so sorry you had to deal with that and am disgusted , yet again, that Tandora is using women's trauma for her own personal agenda.

At this point I will assume that I'm not going to get a response from Tandora on women's single sex spaces, which I had rephrased so as better to draw out a considered response.

My basic question was: since women have a number of legitimate reasons for preferring single sex spaces (SA trauma, religious/cultural background or just preferring not to have a male-bodied person in a female space), why should the philosophical belief of the male-bodied person who would prefer not to be male take precedence over all the female people using that space?

I'm happy to discuss this, but suspect there is no reply. Sad!

So you are saying there is nothing wrong with having acute psychological distress? But we should treat it medically anyway?

Make it make sense

Do you have any idea how many times I imagine what that baby would have looked like? What they would have made of life? What they would have achieved?

I told them to kill me to take my life for his. I would have given my life for him a million times over. Every day for ever to have given him just one chance. The tiniest chance. But that was never to be.

how dare you.

You'd have to have a clinical reason - it isn't based on "want". But the NHS does sometimes offer this yes.

What??? NO!

I wasn't talking about you , I'm talking about abortion on request.

Read this, Tandora. And then please admit that contraception and abortion are not in any way related to what you were talking about. Yet another example of a woman having to reveal her pain to show how misogynistic your and the TRA position is. It's horrific.

That. Is. Not. What. You. Said.

it’s right here on the thread.

Wow this is so manipulative.

I wasn't speaking anything about that poster.

A pp asked

"so there are people in society who have nothing wrong with them, but who benefit from medical interventions?"

Access to abortion is an example of this. Women are able to access abortion even if there is nothing wrong medically, for social and mental health reasons. Take a look at the law.

I personally have had an abortion - there was nothing wrong with either me or the foetus, but I was 19 and not ready to be a mother.

Ok if I talk about that without being called disgusting?

Thanks.

I said ABORTION.

Abortion is available to women who have nothing wrong physically for mental health and social reasons.

I'd really apologise and step away from the abortion comparison if I were you.

some people on this thread are using their experience of abortion to justify misogyny and the shutting down of women’s lived experiences for trauma trumps.

Of course they are.

Contraception and abortion are examples of medical interventions available to

"people in society who have nothing wrong with them, but who benefit from medical interventions"

Why?

I had an abortion even though there was nothing wrong with me physically. Are you saying I shouldn't have had access to that abortion?

Ahh finally - I was correct that these questions weren't really genuine.