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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A little piece of insight

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Tandora · 02/10/2025 13:48

Into a topic so woefully misunderstood.

A little piece of insight
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FranticFrankie · 02/10/2025 18:50

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:44

And what about the women who are happy sharing spaces with trans women and men who are happy sharing with trans men?

They do not speak for me
Just because they're happy doesn't mean we all are
Women can't consent on behalf of ALL women
Transmen can go where they like; if men object that's up to them to say so

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 18:51

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:44

And what about the women who are happy sharing spaces with trans women and men who are happy sharing with trans men?

You can't consent on behalf of people who don't want the opposite sex in a single sex space with them so they'll have to stay out.

CleopatraSelene · 02/10/2025 18:53

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 02/10/2025 14:05

Interruptaron incoming. Still NO.

That's sweet. Is it AI?

Taztoy · 02/10/2025 18:54

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:44

And what about the women who are happy sharing spaces with trans women and men who are happy sharing with trans men?

The law says no.

FranticFrankie · 02/10/2025 18:54

ThatCyanCat · 02/10/2025 18:49

I am going to shag my husband tonight, using various props and toys. I consent to this, quite enthusiastically. Therefore, you must consent to it as well.

That's what you sound like.

Wishing you a very pleasant evening @ThatCyanCat 😘

MurkyWeather2 · 02/10/2025 18:54

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A little piece of insight
AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 02/10/2025 18:54

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 18:51

You can't consent on behalf of people who don't want the opposite sex in a single sex space with them so they'll have to stay out.

I suspect TaupeSnake would say we are making decisions on their behalf, and that would be at least in part true; we are disputing their right to make the decision to speak for all women. Very mean of us....

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:54

ThatCyanCat · 02/10/2025 18:49

I am going to shag my husband tonight, using various props and toys. I consent to this, quite enthusiastically. Therefore, you must consent to it as well.

That's what you sound like.

You sound utterly ridiculous. Are you seriously comparing consenting to sex with consenting to someone using a space?

drspouse · 02/10/2025 18:55

elgreco · 02/10/2025 13:53

We don't tell our children to listen to the voices.....

Indeed no. We take them to the doctor to help get rid of the voices. Usually at that age through talking therapy.

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 18:56

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:54

You sound utterly ridiculous. Are you seriously comparing consenting to sex with consenting to someone using a space?

Have you worked out that she is referring to consent though?

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:59

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 18:56

Have you worked out that she is referring to consent though?

The use of spaces isn’t down to the consent of everyone. In the context it’s just a clever rhetorical argument

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 02/10/2025 19:00

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:59

The use of spaces isn’t down to the consent of everyone. In the context it’s just a clever rhetorical argument

Just so. Because you are not everyone, your decision to consent to everyone putting up with something you happen to find acceptable does not have any bearing on anything.

Taztoy · 02/10/2025 19:01

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:54

You sound utterly ridiculous. Are you seriously comparing consenting to sex with consenting to someone using a space?

The word is no.

the law says they are not allowed.

campaign to change the law if you don’t like it.

Taztoy · 02/10/2025 19:02

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:59

The use of spaces isn’t down to the consent of everyone. In the context it’s just a clever rhetorical argument

In any context in the U.K. it’s the law.

Namelessnelly · 02/10/2025 19:05

Tandora · 02/10/2025 16:59

No. I said Gender dysphoria is a medical condition.

So therefore if having gender dysphoria makes you trans, then being trans is a medical condition right?

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 19:09

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:59

The use of spaces isn’t down to the consent of everyone. In the context it’s just a clever rhetorical argument

Actually in the UK, if a provision is designated with a label using female / woman / girl, it is lawfully a female single sex provision.

but you indicated that if no one notices, it is all ok.

Alucard55 · 02/10/2025 19:11

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:44

And what about the women who are happy sharing spaces with trans women and men who are happy sharing with trans men?

They don't get to consent for other women.

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2025 19:12

ThatCyanCat · 02/10/2025 18:41

Are you the personal arbiter of the law?

Edited

The problem, which always comes back to this is, how do you legislate for feelings and how do you define what is a woman and what isn't a woman?

We never get an answer to this. Because it's the impossible question.

Taztoy · 02/10/2025 19:13

The Supreme Court made it clear.

I don’t understand why people can’t obey the law

ThatCyanCat · 02/10/2025 19:13

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:59

The use of spaces isn’t down to the consent of everyone. In the context it’s just a clever rhetorical argument

"It's just a clever rhetorical argument!"

Yes, try that next time you're in the dock for having your knob out around little girls in the ladies'. Let us know how it goes.

God, these people.

ArabellaSaurus · 02/10/2025 19:14

elgreco · 02/10/2025 13:53

We don't tell our children to listen to the voices.....

Exactly. Interesting that the 'insight' includes a comparator of a child suffering from delusions.

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2025 19:14

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 18:54

You sound utterly ridiculous. Are you seriously comparing consenting to sex with consenting to someone using a space?

Yes.

Because it's appropriate.

The fact you totally don't get this, isn't my problem. I have the right to freedom from the male gaze.

ByTaupeSnake · 02/10/2025 19:15

ThatCyanCat · 02/10/2025 19:13

"It's just a clever rhetorical argument!"

Yes, try that next time you're in the dock for having your knob out around little girls in the ladies'. Let us know how it goes.

God, these people.

Do you believe every trans woman is a predator?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 02/10/2025 19:16

Tandora · 02/10/2025 15:11

clearly you don't understand "the law" , any more than you understand what being trans is.

What is "being trans" Tandora?

Is it being one sex but with a deep and aching wish you were the other sex, maybe like a blind person has a deep and aching wish to see, or a lonely little girl has a deep and aching wish that she had been born as one of the popular kids instead?

Or is it actually being, in an innate mental way, in ways we don't yet understand, the other sex, implying that sex is not in fact a descriptor of the body but of the mind?

Because got to say, take away the emotional manipulation and neither definition actually justifies the demands being made of women in its name.

Neither definition changes the fact that people with female bodies do exist and do face social and physical consequences because of those bodies, and neither a man's deep feeling that he should have had a female body, nor a man's deep feeling that women don't need to have a female body, changes the embodied experiences and needs and self knowledge of the people who actually have a female body one iota.

And regardless of which definition you go for, in fact regardless of any definition you go for that places more weight on a man's idea of himself as a woman than the embodied fact of female existence, outside his own mind he is simply not relevant to who women in the original female sense are and what women in the original female sense need at all.

No definition of woman that is stretched to include male people is more relevant to the needs and experiences and reality of female people than the simple old fashioned sex based definition and there is sinply no way round that.

Taztoy · 02/10/2025 19:16

It all comes down to consent. And it’s a line that has to be held.

I was told on another thread that it’s not about me and how I feel about my violent rape it’s about his inclination (their italics).

is. It. Fuck.

The word is no.

I have the right to be in a single sex space. the law says I do and I will report every single organisation that allows a man that breaks the law into their premises.

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