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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 30/09/2025 14:16

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 30/09/2025 13:43

You know her personally do you? 😂

If JK Rowling is trying to come across as spiteful, bitter, and petty over being thoughtful and measured - she’s doing a great job.

Strange how she focused on Emma although the two male leads also made public statements concerning her views…

JKR knows her personally and probably rather well, given their long work association, which might explain (what looks to you like) her uncharitable determination to deny her the benefit of the doubt over things like the sympathy note and the recent attempt to express love across the ideological divide.

Based on her greater knowledge, she sees these, not as expressions of sympathy and love, but as self-seeking behaviour, designed to make Watson look more likeable to others.

BlueLimes · 30/09/2025 14:16

Around a month ago, EW was constantly popping up on my Instagram with hordes of people commenting how beautiful, graceful, wise she was etc etc . It was quite baffling, imagine shes got new PR, and trying to reinvent herself as (not sure what - writer, humanitarian, politician? Actually there were some posts saying Emma was an ambassador..). What a spectacular misfire she’s done.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 14:18

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:13

I haven't. Perhaps if you'd expanded the quote and read, and more problematically understood, the context, you'd know why I (re)used the term.

Do try to keep up.

Oh yes, I see it was one of your fellow travellers. Sorry, we get so much US centrism from TRA types that it can be hard to distinguish them.

Speaking of keeping up and understanding, I note with interest you've not attempted to address the actual point. It's extremely telling that so many of you frame your analysis around US political norms, and it doesn't become any less so when you were witlessly trying to back up an argument someone else made rather than having introduced it yourself.

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 14:18

WinterTrees · 30/09/2025 14:01

'Robustly challenged' isn't being met with disbelief you are a real person, disbelief you are British, disbelief you are a woman, disbelief you are a feminist, disbelief you regularly use mumsnet, laughing emojis, sarcastic comments, constantly being quoted but just to make snide comments rather than real engagement.. so that your notifications and email inbox fill up with hostility.

I have no knowledge of email inboxes 'filling up with hostility' - I've been on MN for over 20 years and my inbox is filled with nothing more than dust and cobwebs, so I confess to finding that surprising.

I'd suggest that where the other things you list occur they're a consequence of the relentless sameness of the bad faith arguments new posters present here, and often post for screenshots and vanish without engagement. (All of those things are relevant questions on some threads.) Sarcastic comments and a derision are understandable responses to these - it's a huge forum with many thousands of posters - but pretty much always there are posters who take the time to address the points made or challenge by asking for evidence. Which I'd say is what has happened on this thread.

Thank you, yes.

I would love to truly understand where our viewpoints start to diverge, what facts are available, but I never get substantive responses.

(Edited to add my inbox is also empty)

AmusedOpalShaker · 30/09/2025 14:19

God damn, I love JKR.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 14:23

BlueLimes · 30/09/2025 14:16

Around a month ago, EW was constantly popping up on my Instagram with hordes of people commenting how beautiful, graceful, wise she was etc etc . It was quite baffling, imagine shes got new PR, and trying to reinvent herself as (not sure what - writer, humanitarian, politician? Actually there were some posts saying Emma was an ambassador..). What a spectacular misfire she’s done.

She's surely trying to position herself for something. No benefit to doing that interview otherwise. And it's interesting because a DPhil is usually at least 3 academic years.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 14:23

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:13

I haven't. Perhaps if you'd expanded the quote and read, and more problematically understood, the context, you'd know why I (re)used the term.

Do try to keep up.

Cor I wish I was as clever as you

<gazes at @GiddyPinkQuail in admiration, chin in hand >

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 14:25

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:05

Ooh, so you do accept she has been horribly abused and threatened, but you think it doesn't matter because she can afford security! Fucking self made women, keeping safe from violent perverted men, eh!

And you wang on about protections for young people online but don't think women deserve real life protections from men!

Interesting. Jolyon Foxkiller and Boy George are also men who don't like the fact that JKR is a woman with money who can protect herself, and REALLY hate the fact that she uses her money to protect women who can't.

By the way, she's not a billionaire. She gives too much of her fortune away.

This post is gold and you don't even realise why.

Did I say it didn't matter? I said it was a false equivalence because of her wealth.

"This post is gold and you don't even realise why."

Uh huh, so much for GC 'what about the children' when child abuse apologia on behalf of a bully like Linehan is their go to…

Greyskybluesky · 30/09/2025 14:26

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 14:18

Thank you, yes.

I would love to truly understand where our viewpoints start to diverge, what facts are available, but I never get substantive responses.

(Edited to add my inbox is also empty)

Edited

You have to have the correct settings turned on to enable your inbox to "fill up with hostility" so you can then complain about it on FWR! 😆

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 14:27

WinterTrees · 30/09/2025 14:01

'Robustly challenged' isn't being met with disbelief you are a real person, disbelief you are British, disbelief you are a woman, disbelief you are a feminist, disbelief you regularly use mumsnet, laughing emojis, sarcastic comments, constantly being quoted but just to make snide comments rather than real engagement.. so that your notifications and email inbox fill up with hostility.

I have no knowledge of email inboxes 'filling up with hostility' - I've been on MN for over 20 years and my inbox is filled with nothing more than dust and cobwebs, so I confess to finding that surprising.

I'd suggest that where the other things you list occur they're a consequence of the relentless sameness of the bad faith arguments new posters present here, and often post for screenshots and vanish without engagement. (All of those things are relevant questions on some threads.) Sarcastic comments and a derision are understandable responses to these - it's a huge forum with many thousands of posters - but pretty much always there are posters who take the time to address the points made or challenge by asking for evidence. Which I'd say is what has happened on this thread.

I meant that if you have email alerts turned on you get sent an email any time you are quoted on a thread. Which is fine usually because it alerts you that someone is talking to you. However if it's just endless people being hostile whilst not really wanting to engage it becomes a nightmare doesn't it? You've got 50 emails of people mostly being awful. It's very draining. I've got mine turned off now but then it means you don't get alerted to when people genuinely do want to engage so you then end up looking like you aren't being reasonable yourself, and are ignoring decent people making points. You can't win.
Just another reason why behaving like that isn't conducive to having a genuine discussion or persuading anyone of anything.

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 14:29

VegemiteOnToast · 30/09/2025 13:02

Transgender people in England and Wales are twice as likely to be victims of crime as cisgender people, official figures show.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

Research indicates that 62% - 73% of transgender people have experienced harassment and violence because they were identified as transgender. This included verbal abuse, threatening behaviour, physical and sexual assault.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

Guess why women are not included in the hate crime data?

Research included
● verbal abuse,
● threatening behaviour,
● physical assault,
● sexual assault.

What do you think the police in Scotland would be doing all day every day if JKR had the legal right to log the threats she gets on a daily basis?

Saying a pipe bomb should be sent to her home?
Muppets turning up at her home and trying to get others to do the same?

Do you actually think that if hate crime reporting included hate crimes against women that there any woman on this thread who have not encountered verbal abuse or threatening behaviours just because they are women?

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 14:33

Just to clarify the 'inbox filling up' was NOT about private messages it was about email alerts.
I have only ever had a handful of nasty private messages however all of them were presumably from people who had been on threads where the topic was or had turned to trans or gender critical issues. As they appeared after I had been commenting on those threads. All were dealt with swiftly by mumsnet admins. I do still have private messaging on as I don't generally have problems with it. It was never my suggestion that I did.

My point was that this kind of atmosphere does make it hard to honestly engage for anyone with differing opinions on these feminist boards.

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 14:38

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 14:33

Just to clarify the 'inbox filling up' was NOT about private messages it was about email alerts.
I have only ever had a handful of nasty private messages however all of them were presumably from people who had been on threads where the topic was or had turned to trans or gender critical issues. As they appeared after I had been commenting on those threads. All were dealt with swiftly by mumsnet admins. I do still have private messaging on as I don't generally have problems with it. It was never my suggestion that I did.

My point was that this kind of atmosphere does make it hard to honestly engage for anyone with differing opinions on these feminist boards.

I completely support your desire for civil debate

ParmaVioletTea · 30/09/2025 14:42

Trivialising a grown man's relentless harassment of a minor

Have you seen the footage of this "minor's" behaviour in public? At the LGB Alliance conference, he was involved in releasing a whole lot of annoying insects into the conference room; and at both the LGB Alliance conference and the Battle of Ideas he was filming people with his phone in an intrusive way, right in their faces, even when they asked him to stop. He was invading their personal space, right up in their faces and harassing people who tried to move away from him by blocking their movement and following themIf I'd been being filmed like that, I know it would have felt like assault. He is tall and big.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:42

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 14:25

Did I say it didn't matter? I said it was a false equivalence because of her wealth.

"This post is gold and you don't even realise why."

Uh huh, so much for GC 'what about the children' when child abuse apologia on behalf of a bully like Linehan is their go to…

You're flailing, Hows. It was inevitable, because you never believed anything you were saying; you just want to kick at women's rights (and do I sense you rather... enjoying the interaction on a largely female board?) and no pretzel logic was too ridiculous. Death threats online don't exist because Glinner denies the charges against him, my Lord. But that post revealed far more than usual about why exactly you don't like women's rights and I think you still don't get it. But we do.

Are the Wiki links no longer a thing, then? I'll bet on something else next time.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 14:47

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:42

You're flailing, Hows. It was inevitable, because you never believed anything you were saying; you just want to kick at women's rights (and do I sense you rather... enjoying the interaction on a largely female board?) and no pretzel logic was too ridiculous. Death threats online don't exist because Glinner denies the charges against him, my Lord. But that post revealed far more than usual about why exactly you don't like women's rights and I think you still don't get it. But we do.

Are the Wiki links no longer a thing, then? I'll bet on something else next time.

So abusive predatorial perverse men get a get out of jail free card if they make the right noises?

We see you.

dumberthanaboxofrocks · 30/09/2025 14:48

ClawedButler · 29/09/2025 17:13

Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Revenge is sweet.
Revenge is...ice cream?

I’ve always assumed custard.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:49

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 14:47

So abusive predatorial perverse men get a get out of jail free card if they make the right noises?

We see you.

This doesn't make any sense. Try harder.

SionnachRuadh · 30/09/2025 14:49

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:42

You're flailing, Hows. It was inevitable, because you never believed anything you were saying; you just want to kick at women's rights (and do I sense you rather... enjoying the interaction on a largely female board?) and no pretzel logic was too ridiculous. Death threats online don't exist because Glinner denies the charges against him, my Lord. But that post revealed far more than usual about why exactly you don't like women's rights and I think you still don't get it. But we do.

Are the Wiki links no longer a thing, then? I'll bet on something else next time.

He's also stopped linking to the yank dictionary. The in thing now seems to be throwing in some dubious reference to a logical fallacy, without actually demonstrating the fallacy.

SionnachRuadh · 30/09/2025 14:51

dumberthanaboxofrocks · 30/09/2025 14:48

I’ve always assumed custard.

I used to work with a lad who made peppermint Aero cheesecake. I fancy a slice right now.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:52

SionnachRuadh · 30/09/2025 14:49

He's also stopped linking to the yank dictionary. The in thing now seems to be throwing in some dubious reference to a logical fallacy, without actually demonstrating the fallacy.

I think even that's giving it too much credit. You know when he shouts DOG WHISTLE and then makes up nonsense? Now he's just skipping the DOG WHISTLE. That last post was just the nonsense, with a quick attempt at... I don't know, sanctimony? Is he even trying now?

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 14:52

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:49

This doesn't make any sense. Try harder.

Translation:

I just got caught out excusing what I accuse others of doing & now I'm feigning ignorance…

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:54

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 14:52

Translation:

I just got caught out excusing what I accuse others of doing & now I'm feigning ignorance…

What is this, a Rolodex of one-nonsense-incongruous-response-fits-all? How far until we get to "I am rubber, you are glue"?

SionnachRuadh · 30/09/2025 14:57

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 14:52

I think even that's giving it too much credit. You know when he shouts DOG WHISTLE and then makes up nonsense? Now he's just skipping the DOG WHISTLE. That last post was just the nonsense, with a quick attempt at... I don't know, sanctimony? Is he even trying now?

He's being very low energy. At least with the verbose word salad you can tell some effort went in, even if it was just the effort to write the AI prompt.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 14:58

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 14:52

Translation:

I just got caught out excusing what I accuse others of doing & now I'm feigning ignorance…

That doesn't make any sense either. What did she get caught out in?

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