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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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spannasaurus · 30/09/2025 13:27

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:23

"Prosecutor Julia Faure Walker told the court Mr Linehan, 57, posted online about Ms Brooks "relentlessly" and that his behaviour amounted to harassment.
The posts were "calculated to produce alarm or distress … were verbally abusive and vindictive and reflected … Mr Linehan's deep disliking of Ms Brooks," she added.

Graham Linehan has become a vocal critic of transgender activism in recent years. (Reuters: Jack Taylor)
In the posts, Mr Linehan accused Ms Brooks of "domestic terrorism" and called the activist a "deeply disturbed sociopath" and a "malignant narcissist", the court heard.
He also said that Ms Brooks, who was 17 at the time of the posts, was "behind countless episodes of harassment of women and gay men both online and off"."

Oh dear…

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Brooks is neither alarmed or distressed by Linehans actions however many women are greatly alarmed and distressed by Brooks behaviour. Brooks has a long history of harassing and threatening women.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:28

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:23

"Prosecutor Julia Faure Walker told the court Mr Linehan, 57, posted online about Ms Brooks "relentlessly" and that his behaviour amounted to harassment.
The posts were "calculated to produce alarm or distress … were verbally abusive and vindictive and reflected … Mr Linehan's deep disliking of Ms Brooks," she added.

Graham Linehan has become a vocal critic of transgender activism in recent years. (Reuters: Jack Taylor)
In the posts, Mr Linehan accused Ms Brooks of "domestic terrorism" and called the activist a "deeply disturbed sociopath" and a "malignant narcissist", the court heard.
He also said that Ms Brooks, who was 17 at the time of the posts, was "behind countless episodes of harassment of women and gay men both online and off"."

Oh dear…

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Are you even trying? If this were a newspaper report, you'd be getting done for taking prosecution comments with no context, not mentioning Glinner denies the charges, everything that happened since the prosection made these allegations, and essentially implying he's guilty as charged when the case is still ongoing. At any rate, it still isn't equivalent to rape and death threats, for which there has actually been a conviction.

You'd better find some other cause to jump on in order to shit on women in the future. This one's on its last legs.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:29

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 13:26

Where's the threats to rape and murder - did I miss those?

There well could have been a serious threat given Linehan relentlessly blasted this kid on loud speaker to millions of people.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:29

PastaAllaNorma · 30/09/2025 12:24

Transwomen murders in USA 2013, 17 per 100,000
Black men's murders in 2023, 26.6 per 100,000 and disproportionately young.

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you are aware that the overwhelming majority of assault and homovide victims in the uk are male according to police recorded/ justice systems data right? Do you conclude from this that violence against women/ girls isn't a problem, gender based violence doesn't happen? women are more safe and privileged in society than men? You simply have no understanding of the administrative data, its context or how to analyse / interpret it.

WinterTrees · 30/09/2025 13:30

Any feminist who doesn't tow the party line on any of these feminist boards gets hounded out.

That 'party line' thing always puzzles me. There's no party line, but we are a group of (mostly) women with broadly common principles who have been given a space here - when none was available anywhere else - to discuss them.

The numerous, frequent posters who come here to make a counter-argument don't get 'hounded out' (what would that even look like?) but they do get robustly challenged. If that's exhausting for them that's not for the feminists here to solve.

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 13:30

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:29

There well could have been a serious threat given Linehan relentlessly blasted this kid on loud speaker to millions of people.

'could well'

I think that is different to

'was'

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:30

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:28

Are you even trying? If this were a newspaper report, you'd be getting done for taking prosecution comments with no context, not mentioning Glinner denies the charges, everything that happened since the prosection made these allegations, and essentially implying he's guilty as charged when the case is still ongoing. At any rate, it still isn't equivalent to rape and death threats, for which there has actually been a conviction.

You'd better find some other cause to jump on in order to shit on women in the future. This one's on its last legs.

Um, the tweets are on public record because that's how X works.

Gloriia · 30/09/2025 13:31

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:19

But the other board is still dominated by trans issues anyway..
But even if this is a board to 'discuss' trans issues in particular there's never much discussion going on is there? You've got a few dissenting opinions on this 35 plus page thread and they get met with sarcasm and multiple quotes over the 35 pages.. making it extremely draining and stressful to reasonably engage. Any feminist who doesn't tow the party line on any of these feminist boards gets hounded out. And it's not even only ones who support trans rights but ones who just think JK Rowling is deteriorating into obsession and vitriol. It's basically anyone who isn't posting hearts and flowers in response to anything which comes out of her mouth.
This thread is on a discussion board but it clearly isn't supposed to be a discussion about the topic in the title. I think it was just posted with the intention of everybody clapping. And what's honestly the point of that?

That's the nature of a chat forum, people challenge and often the same points are repeated.

I share views on other boards non trans related that often face criticism and sarcasm. So what?

If you are clear on your views you should be able to debate those views without crying victim and 'it's not fair' all the time.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:31

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 13:30

'could well'

I think that is different to

'was'

You could say the same for JKR.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:35

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:30

Um, the tweets are on public record because that's how X works.

Yes, nobody denies the tweets exist, genius. What Glinner denies, and what has not been decided yet by a court despite your desperate wish and dishonest implication, is that they constitute the offences he's charged with. And even if it's found that they do, they still aren't equivalent to a tsunami of death and rape threats.

Obviously, you know this. But you like belittling women's rights and pissing women off so much, no beclowning is too much. Absolutely nobody is fooled. But this train is derailing so you'd better find another one.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:36

WinterTrees · 30/09/2025 13:30

Any feminist who doesn't tow the party line on any of these feminist boards gets hounded out.

That 'party line' thing always puzzles me. There's no party line, but we are a group of (mostly) women with broadly common principles who have been given a space here - when none was available anywhere else - to discuss them.

The numerous, frequent posters who come here to make a counter-argument don't get 'hounded out' (what would that even look like?) but they do get robustly challenged. If that's exhausting for them that's not for the feminists here to solve.

'Robustly challenged' isn't being met with disbelief you are a real person, disbelief you are British, disbelief you are a woman, disbelief you are a feminist, disbelief you regularly use mumsnet, laughing emojis, sarcastic comments, constantly being quoted but just to make snide comments rather than real engagement.. so that your notifications and email inbox fill up with hostility.
I do agree that women need space to discuss ideas of all types and I do admire mumsnet for allowing that.
But yes I do think there's are often posters on these boards who aggressively hound out any differing opinion. Obviously not all posters are like that but you can see it across this thread. And many many others.

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 13:38

Horsie · 30/09/2025 11:11

Yeah, sorry, it was late. I read single sex spaces as meaning female sex spaces. Guess that's what the Beeb meant, and should have written.

You kindly allow the author a lot of room for "Ooop I mis-spoke and said the exact opposite to what actually happened".

The slight of hand is being used to claim that transpeople (the men) suddenly cant use the public toilets that transpeople (the women) have been expected to use for years

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:39

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:35

Yes, nobody denies the tweets exist, genius. What Glinner denies, and what has not been decided yet by a court despite your desperate wish and dishonest implication, is that they constitute the offences he's charged with. And even if it's found that they do, they still aren't equivalent to a tsunami of death and rape threats.

Obviously, you know this. But you like belittling women's rights and pissing women off so much, no beclowning is too much. Absolutely nobody is fooled. But this train is derailing so you'd better find another one.

By this logic you could say the same about threats to JKR given it "has not been decided yet by a court despite your desperate wish"

The inconsistencies just never end….

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 13:41

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:31

You could say the same for JKR.

No

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:43

Gloriia · 30/09/2025 13:31

That's the nature of a chat forum, people challenge and often the same points are repeated.

I share views on other boards non trans related that often face criticism and sarcasm. So what?

If you are clear on your views you should be able to debate those views without crying victim and 'it's not fair' all the time.

I'm not crying victim. I am pointing out a real issue with these spaces on mumsnet. It does become a cult like echo chamber.
And back to the topic I think 'statements' which are personal attacks like Rowlings add to this way of communicating.
No one EVER changed their mind about anything due to being aggressively attacked. They just become more entrenched. I think that has happened to Rowling who started off having reasonable well structured concerns and has now descended into obsession and anger, due to feeling she is under attack.
And now doing the same thing back which is only ever going to provoke the same response.
But where does it end? Do you think trans people will just dissappear? This just becomes more and more devisive. More personal, more emotional.
I don't think anyone should be hounded or cancelled for their opinions.. but this is wandering into the territory or harassment. It's really unsettling.

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 30/09/2025 13:43

Handsomesoapdish · 30/09/2025 13:24

Emma identifies as being nice and kind but she is actually trans nice and kind. It is just a superficial appearance thing it is not actually what she is at her core.

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You know her personally do you? 😂

If JK Rowling is trying to come across as spiteful, bitter, and petty over being thoughtful and measured - she’s doing a great job.

Strange how she focused on Emma although the two male leads also made public statements concerning her views…

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 13:43

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:36

'Robustly challenged' isn't being met with disbelief you are a real person, disbelief you are British, disbelief you are a woman, disbelief you are a feminist, disbelief you regularly use mumsnet, laughing emojis, sarcastic comments, constantly being quoted but just to make snide comments rather than real engagement.. so that your notifications and email inbox fill up with hostility.
I do agree that women need space to discuss ideas of all types and I do admire mumsnet for allowing that.
But yes I do think there's are often posters on these boards who aggressively hound out any differing opinion. Obviously not all posters are like that but you can see it across this thread. And many many others.

I would love some posters to substantiate their claims but it never happens, so no debate.

But I am all ears ( thinking of @Tandora's claims about tape and murder, for example).

Bring the debate on!

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:46

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:39

By this logic you could say the same about threats to JKR given it "has not been decided yet by a court despite your desperate wish"

The inconsistencies just never end….

What logic? The death threats are clear, overt and well documented and police have been involved and security measures tightened because some are credible and there has been a conviction. There's no doubt they exist. There's no need for logical extension to find the offence. It's pretty criminal that so few have been followed up but I expect there are just so many and they're mostly hard to trace. Only in your world is a tweet about people being smelly somehow equivalent.

Are you seriously telling us this phenomenon isn't real because Glinner has a defence against his charges and there's been no verdict yet? This is pigeon chess with the Queen of Hearts (sentence first, verdict afterwards!) except she was actually entertaining.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 30/09/2025 13:47

Good lord those posters who can’t see EW very clearly mouths “bar one” have truly shit vision. It’s as clear as day 😳

ParmaVioletTea · 30/09/2025 13:50

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 03:05

@ParmaViolets, Tbf I like her performances in The Perks of Being a Wallflower, Noah, The Bling Ring & Little Women. Admittedly not hugely demanding roles but all different from Hermione & credible imo. She was fine in My Week With Marilyn though nothing incredible.

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Her vocal technique is horrible - fixed jaw, clavicular breathing, intonation never changes. Not as bad as Keira Knightly but up there as an untrained actress! I just can't get past having to listen to her - her vocal lack of technique makes me tense up & cringe.

But thanks to this thread I looked for her BAFTA "I'm here for all the witches" and her obvious mouth of "bar one." So, so petulant & childish. Mean girl bullying.

I'm glad Ms Rowling has called her out.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 13:50

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:29

you are aware that the overwhelming majority of assault and homovide victims in the uk are male according to police recorded/ justice systems data right? Do you conclude from this that violence against women/ girls isn't a problem, gender based violence doesn't happen? women are more safe and privileged in society than men? You simply have no understanding of the administrative data, its context or how to analyse / interpret it.

I don’t think anyone is saying male violence doesn’t affect men with a gender identity

we’re just saying those men can’t have women’s stuff as a way of dealing with it

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 13:50

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 30/09/2025 13:47

Good lord those posters who can’t see EW very clearly mouths “bar one” have truly shit vision. It’s as clear as day 😳

And the massive smirk afterwards.

But none so blind as those who will not see.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 13:51

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 30/09/2025 13:43

You know her personally do you? 😂

If JK Rowling is trying to come across as spiteful, bitter, and petty over being thoughtful and measured - she’s doing a great job.

Strange how she focused on Emma although the two male leads also made public statements concerning her views…

Hardly strange. One of them had the brains not to try and make himself an unofficial Potter spokesman whilst doing it and neither have given a recent interview about how they still love JKR. She's criticised all three of them in the past, but two of them haven't actually provided anything new to comment on.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 30/09/2025 13:52

So you believe all truths should be spoken no matter the harm caused?

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FFS, JKR and her family had DEATH THREATS! And EWs actions fanned the flames that made that happen.

Damn right EW should have to put up with a little discomfort. She did F all to call off the mob.

ParmaVioletTea · 30/09/2025 13:53

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 30/09/2025 07:40

@ParmaVioletTea What did they say?

Educate yourself.

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