Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK on Emma Watson

1000 replies

Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

OP posts:
Thread gallery
15
nicepotoftea · 30/09/2025 12:32

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 12:16

That's an opinion to hold but you must know some women hold others. And they do not believe those are men.
Again it's fine to disagree.. but I'm never going to become so blinkered that I think it's normal for someone to write a long message personally naming someone and directly attacking them and their upbringing. Suggesting they have personally individually added to abuse I was receiving. Sorry but it is not emotionally healthy. It's a rant. It's not reasonable. Why is it ok to stoop to this? I don't see it at all. I don't see why it's not ok to criticise this? It's not a good way to behave. I believe it to bring harm and exacerbate issues. Encouraging personal attacks. Encouraging judging entire people on a few views they hold. If anything it's THIS type of rhetoric that encourages death threats and the like.

JKR was being threatened for just following the wrong people, so I don't think she holds EW responsible for the death threats.

I think her beef is that EW supports the people who send the death threats, but also claims to love her via the medium of podcasting, and she views that as a saccharine exploitative branding exercise.

Should she have these discussions in public? I think JKR is a woman who has no more fucks to give. She is damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't, so she might as well speak for herself.

CandleMug · 30/09/2025 12:33

JK is simply incredible 🙌👏

The bit where says EW is ignorant of how ignorant she is, is perfectly summed up! EW is an entitled so and so. Lived a life of relative privilege - in that she doesn’t have to work 9-5 in the rat race for the minimum wage. She’s wealthy enough to live a live most of us could only dream of and is so far fetched from reality that if it wasn’t so infuriating, her opinions would would be laughable

Go on JK we love you 🫶

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/09/2025 12:36

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:26

I've played the 'nothing I say is transphobic, no matter how outrageous and transphobic' game with gender critical feminists ad nauseum on mumsnet, I can assure you it's beyond exhausting.

Edited

Yet here you are.

MyAmpleSheep · 30/09/2025 12:39

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:32

My claim was that there are trans people who are raped and murdered for being trans. This is true. i will give you one example from my own research: the rape of a trans teenager. During the assault the perpetrator repeatedly insisted that they were doing this to prove their victim's true 'biological sex'. That trans teenager was targeted/ assaulted because they were trans - this was the motivation for the assault.

I made no statistical inference about the proportion of trans people who are murdered relative to other populations of people - this is a) not relevant to the point I was making, b) nor is it possible to carry out such analysis with existing data.

HTH.

Edited

You claimed there are many many trans people who are raped and murdered for being trans.

we’re waiting for the evidential basis of that claim. Hard evidence. Best if some or most of them aren’t South American sex workers.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:40

MyAmpleSheep · 30/09/2025 12:39

You claimed there are many many trans people who are raped and murdered for being trans.

we’re waiting for the evidential basis of that claim. Hard evidence. Best if some or most of them aren’t South American sex workers.

Are you saying that you accept there are some trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans, you just dispute that there are 'many'?

WinterTrees · 30/09/2025 12:42

I've played the 'nothing I say is transphobic, no matter how outrageous and transphobic' game with gender critical feminists ad nauseum on mumsnet, I can assure you it's beyond exhausting.

Maybe the feminist board isn't the place for you? Just a thought.

I'm sure if I went onto the Doghouse board and played the 'cats are the superior household pet' game ad nauseum I'd find that exhausting too, and (not being entirely without sense) might decide to seek a forum that was more amenable to my personal outlook.

RunsABit · 30/09/2025 12:42

buffyajp · 29/09/2025 18:10

I disagree. I’ve watched it several times and to me it is crystal clear that she mouths bar one.

I watched it live and it was patently obvious that she whispered 'bar one', in fact I'm sure it was more audible at the time.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:42

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/09/2025 12:36

Yet here you are.

Yep, interrupting the echo chamber, because it is important to stand up and be counted.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:42

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:40

Are you saying that you accept there are some trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans, you just dispute that there are 'many'?

I have excellent news for you. There is no evidence that this is the case in the UK

trans people in the UK are really safe. Safer on average than the rest of the population actually

isn’t that great?

teawamutu · 30/09/2025 12:43

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:40

Are you saying that you accept there are some trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans, you just dispute that there are 'many'?

My statement was that trans people are, statistically, the safest demographic in the UK and asked you to provide any proof to the contrary. Perhaps you missed it.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:43

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:42

I have excellent news for you. There is no evidence that this is the case in the UK

trans people in the UK are really safe. Safer on average than the rest of the population actually

isn’t that great?

The example I gave you was from the UK. Happened in the UK, in a UK school. Rape of a trans teenager, motivated by transphobia.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:44

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:42

Yep, interrupting the echo chamber, because it is important to stand up and be counted.

counted saying what precisely? Anyone who is persuaded of anything based on your posts on this thread probably shouldn’t be allowed out by themselves

teawamutu · 30/09/2025 12:45

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:42

Yep, interrupting the echo chamber, because it is important to stand up and be counted.

TRAs are ten a penny round here. Dunno what you think you're achieving. All constant, hyperbolic, unevidenced statements do is provide the knowledgeable posters here with a chance to reiterate the proof for the lurkers.

So, thanks, I guess?

MyAmpleSheep · 30/09/2025 12:48

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:40

Are you saying that you accept there are some trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans, you just dispute that there are 'many'?

One is too many. But even a million well documented cases of this male-on-male violence isn’t an excuse to let men into women’s single-sex spaces.

Very much the opposite, in fact: every such case is strong evidence to exclude men, all men, including the ones who claim to be women, from female single sex spaces.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:49

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:44

counted saying what precisely? Anyone who is persuaded of anything based on your posts on this thread probably shouldn’t be allowed out by themselves

Stand up and be counted in my opposition to the wild expression of transphobia displayed on this and many other similar threads.

These are the outrageous views of a radicalised minority (profoundly out of touch with anything related to justice or reality) and there are women - mumsnetters - like me who will continue to challenge this by speaking out for what is right and what is true.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:49

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:49

Stand up and be counted in my opposition to the wild expression of transphobia displayed on this and many other similar threads.

These are the outrageous views of a radicalised minority (profoundly out of touch with anything related to justice or reality) and there are women - mumsnetters - like me who will continue to challenge this by speaking out for what is right and what is true.

🤣

okey dokey

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 12:51

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:42

Yep, interrupting the echo chamber, because it is important to stand up and be counted.

You sound like my dad.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 12:54

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:49

Stand up and be counted in my opposition to the wild expression of transphobia displayed on this and many other similar threads.

These are the outrageous views of a radicalised minority (profoundly out of touch with anything related to justice or reality) and there are women - mumsnetters - like me who will continue to challenge this by speaking out for what is right and what is true.

What would these wild expressions of transphobia be?

Men can't become women?

Women's rights and safety matter?

Women need access to single sex spaces?

That kind of thing?

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 12:55

2021x · 30/09/2025 09:47

I agree with all your points, but don’t you think you are going a bit hard? She could have said Emma has a lot of trust to build back up before I believe that she actually does care in the way she said.

JKR response has blamed EW wealth for her stance when she actually has no idea why she came to that conclusions she did. She is projecting her own issues with wealth and class, as well as devaluing another woman’s take on the issue.

In my opinion JKR response looked to create further division rather than build understanding. As reasonable as that may be in the circumstances I still find it disappointing and hoped for a little more maturity.

Do you think that EW as a UN Women Goodwill Ambassador since July 2014 should have some idea as to why single sex spaces are needed?

Was or is EW off in Bangladesh and Zambia arguing that girls should be changing in front of boys in schools? Or that girls can ID out of their biology? Or that Womens Rights legislation should be written using terms like "people who can get pregnant" not "women".

You are a little vested in making JKR the responsible party in "converting to the cause" rather than accepting that JKR prehaps has adopted a MN LTB attitude to an long finished relationship?

What value would you place on a relationship which involved no contact or communication of any kind for a year or two years or five years?

How nice do you think you need to be to an ex-work associate who keeps using your name to self publicise?

What time line is applicable to point out that you worked together but are no longer friends and that you have no wish to reconnect?

Or to point out that as an ex-work associate you dont actually care what they think or feel when their actions and choices helped put your actual family and children under social pressure and contributed to an culture which was issuing death threats?

And if EW was an actual friend and had an actual real relationship she would have known what was going on.

”^I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.
.
I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.
.
Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.^
.
However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume^ the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.
.
When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.^
.
The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.
.
^Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?
.^
^I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.
.^
The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me ^- a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.
.
Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”^

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:55

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 12:54

What would these wild expressions of transphobia be?

Men can't become women?

Women's rights and safety matter?

Women need access to single sex spaces?

That kind of thing?

This kind of thing:

"Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out"

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:00

WinterTrees · 30/09/2025 12:42

I've played the 'nothing I say is transphobic, no matter how outrageous and transphobic' game with gender critical feminists ad nauseum on mumsnet, I can assure you it's beyond exhausting.

Maybe the feminist board isn't the place for you? Just a thought.

I'm sure if I went onto the Doghouse board and played the 'cats are the superior household pet' game ad nauseum I'd find that exhausting too, and (not being entirely without sense) might decide to seek a forum that was more amenable to my personal outlook.

So you just want the feminist board to be for a certain type of feminist? And for that not to be a discussion but just a group of people patting each other on the back?

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 13:00

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:55

This kind of thing:

"Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out"

So one comment?

VegemiteOnToast · 30/09/2025 13:02

Transgender people in England and Wales are twice as likely to be victims of crime as cisgender people, official figures show.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

Research indicates that 62% - 73% of transgender people have experienced harassment and violence because they were identified as transgender. This included verbal abuse, threatening behaviour, physical and sexual assault.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

Aluna · 30/09/2025 13:02

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:42

Yep, interrupting the echo chamber, because it is important to stand up and be counted.

You’re not though, you’re hiding behind a keyboard, boring everyone.

GailBlancheViola · 30/09/2025 13:02

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:55

This kind of thing:

"Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out"

That's not transphobia it's a fact.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.
Swipe left for the next trending thread