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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:03

GailBlancheViola · 30/09/2025 13:02

That's not transphobia it's a fact.

Come on now.. that statement is demented!

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:04

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:55

This kind of thing:

"Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out"

Do you think being able to get a man arrested on arrival in the country for rude tweets is a sign of oppression?

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:05

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:00

So you just want the feminist board to be for a certain type of feminist? And for that not to be a discussion but just a group of people patting each other on the back?

So you just want the feminist board to be for a certain type of feminist?

That's exactly what they want. This isn't a 'feminist' board any more anyway; it's simply the 'anti-trans' board.

9 out of 10 (probably more) threads on this board are focused on promoting negative ideas about trans people. Meanwhile on the rest of mumsnet there are those of us speaking out about structural misogyny in the family courts, for reproductive autonomy and rights for women, against structural and financial inequalities including within families, domestic violence etc. The "feminism" board has little or nothing to say about such topics.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:05

GailBlancheViola · 30/09/2025 13:02

That's not transphobia it's a fact.

And there's another one.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:06

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:04

Do you think being able to get a man arrested on arrival in the country for rude tweets is a sign of oppression?

Are you suggesting the on line harassment JKR receives isn't oppressive?
Make up your mind….

Coatsoff42 · 30/09/2025 13:07

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:05

So you just want the feminist board to be for a certain type of feminist?

That's exactly what they want. This isn't a 'feminist' board any more anyway; it's simply the 'anti-trans' board.

9 out of 10 (probably more) threads on this board are focused on promoting negative ideas about trans people. Meanwhile on the rest of mumsnet there are those of us speaking out about structural misogyny in the family courts, for reproductive autonomy and rights for women, against structural and financial inequalities including within families, domestic violence etc. The "feminism" board has little or nothing to say about such topics.

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You’re on the sex and gender board. Maybe post on the feminism board.

its mostly trans stuff because its the specific board for it.

Gloriia · 30/09/2025 13:09

'That's exactly what they want. This isn't a 'feminist' board any more anyway; it's simply the 'anti-trans' board.'

It's the sex and gender board. If most are critical of trans ideology particularly trans activism then that may give you a snapshot of public opinion more widely.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:09

Coatsoff42 · 30/09/2025 13:07

You’re on the sex and gender board. Maybe post on the feminism board.

its mostly trans stuff because its the specific board for it.

The headline of the board is "feminism: sex and gender". If you think that "sex and gender" is just about trans people, that's your first problem.

GailBlancheViola · 30/09/2025 13:11

No, it isn't and it is blatantly obvious to anyone with functioning eyes, ears and a brain just how protected by the Police, Justice System and Public Institutions trans people and their ideology is.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:12

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:06

Are you suggesting the on line harassment JKR receives isn't oppressive?
Make up your mind….

This post makes absolutely no sense. A step up from your usual offering!

Will the irrelevant Wiki links be reappearing? I lost a bet, thanks for that.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:12

GailBlancheViola · 30/09/2025 13:11

No, it isn't and it is blatantly obvious to anyone with functioning eyes, ears and a brain just how protected by the Police, Justice System and Public Institutions trans people and their ideology is.

Annnnd another one

Gloriia · 30/09/2025 13:13

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:09

The headline of the board is "feminism: sex and gender". If you think that "sex and gender" is just about trans people, that's your first problem.

Of course sex and gender will relate primarily to discussions about trans issues. That's why it was started, to allow the other feminism board not be dominated by trans issues.

What other discussions could there be about 'sex and gender'?

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:13

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:12

This post makes absolutely no sense. A step up from your usual offering!

Will the irrelevant Wiki links be reappearing? I lost a bet, thanks for that.

Translation: I just got caught out in an obvious inconsistency & am now trying to pretend i wasn't.

WinterTrees · 30/09/2025 13:14

So you just want the feminist board to be for a certain type of feminist?

The type who understands that having a clear definition of woman based on biological sex is fundamental to protecting women's rights? Sort of, though obviously anyone is free to post here as it's an open form. Bit silly to come here and complain that it's full of actual feminists though. (And there is an alternative feminism board for those who subscribe to a different, more male-centred kind of feminism if this kind offends you.)

And for that not to be a discussion but just a group of people patting each other on the back?

No, that would be pointless and boring. The exchange of ideas and information, the pooling of wisdom, collecting of stats and evidence to build a bigger picture, the analysis of detail and nuance - all those are things that make this board the brilliant resource that enrages TRAs so much.

Coatsoff42 · 30/09/2025 13:14

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:09

The headline of the board is "feminism: sex and gender". If you think that "sex and gender" is just about trans people, that's your first problem.

It’s just the best place to discuss it, general feminist topics are on the feminism board, people find trans stuff interesting and like to discuss it, this is the best place.
Other feminism stuff is either in general boards, or on the plain feminism board. Try posting on those if you have had enough of trans stuff.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:18

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:13

Translation: I just got caught out in an obvious inconsistency & am now trying to pretend i wasn't.

Ah, totally disjointed false equivalence. That's more like it. No, a tweet about "a picture you can smell" isn't equivalent to a tsunami of men threatening online to rape and murder a woman, on occasion getting convicted for it. Glad to help you out.

So... silly Wiki links? Or is it just this garbage now?

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:19

Gloriia · 30/09/2025 13:13

Of course sex and gender will relate primarily to discussions about trans issues. That's why it was started, to allow the other feminism board not be dominated by trans issues.

What other discussions could there be about 'sex and gender'?

But the other board is still dominated by trans issues anyway..
But even if this is a board to 'discuss' trans issues in particular there's never much discussion going on is there? You've got a few dissenting opinions on this 35 plus page thread and they get met with sarcasm and multiple quotes over the 35 pages.. making it extremely draining and stressful to reasonably engage. Any feminist who doesn't tow the party line on any of these feminist boards gets hounded out. And it's not even only ones who support trans rights but ones who just think JK Rowling is deteriorating into obsession and vitriol. It's basically anyone who isn't posting hearts and flowers in response to anything which comes out of her mouth.
This thread is on a discussion board but it clearly isn't supposed to be a discussion about the topic in the title. I think it was just posted with the intention of everybody clapping. And what's honestly the point of that?

Greyskybluesky · 30/09/2025 13:19

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:05

So you just want the feminist board to be for a certain type of feminist?

That's exactly what they want. This isn't a 'feminist' board any more anyway; it's simply the 'anti-trans' board.

9 out of 10 (probably more) threads on this board are focused on promoting negative ideas about trans people. Meanwhile on the rest of mumsnet there are those of us speaking out about structural misogyny in the family courts, for reproductive autonomy and rights for women, against structural and financial inequalities including within families, domestic violence etc. The "feminism" board has little or nothing to say about such topics.

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Post what you want where you want.

Well done you.

GailBlancheViola · 30/09/2025 13:20

Tandora · 30/09/2025 13:12

Annnnd another one

So provide the proof that that is not the case.

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 13:22

I think I am spotting a pattern on this and other threads:

Trans people are victims
I can't provide any evidence to back up my statements
I am a hugely educated professional, but I can't share details. I can, however, write impenetrable posts
I am a martyr to the cause, and hugely put upon, sigh

Rinse and repeat

Greyskybluesky · 30/09/2025 13:23

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 13:22

I think I am spotting a pattern on this and other threads:

Trans people are victims
I can't provide any evidence to back up my statements
I am a hugely educated professional, but I can't share details. I can, however, write impenetrable posts
I am a martyr to the cause, and hugely put upon, sigh

Rinse and repeat

Add to this:

You're not doing feminism properly

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:23

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 13:18

Ah, totally disjointed false equivalence. That's more like it. No, a tweet about "a picture you can smell" isn't equivalent to a tsunami of men threatening online to rape and murder a woman, on occasion getting convicted for it. Glad to help you out.

So... silly Wiki links? Or is it just this garbage now?

"Prosecutor Julia Faure Walker told the court Mr Linehan, 57, posted online about Ms Brooks "relentlessly" and that his behaviour amounted to harassment.
The posts were "calculated to produce alarm or distress … were verbally abusive and vindictive and reflected … Mr Linehan's deep disliking of Ms Brooks," she added.

Graham Linehan has become a vocal critic of transgender activism in recent years. (Reuters: Jack Taylor)
In the posts, Mr Linehan accused Ms Brooks of "domestic terrorism" and called the activist a "deeply disturbed sociopath" and a "malignant narcissist", the court heard.
He also said that Ms Brooks, who was 17 at the time of the posts, was "behind countless episodes of harassment of women and gay men both online and off"."

Oh dear…

Handsomesoapdish · 30/09/2025 13:24

Emma identifies as being nice and kind but she is actually trans nice and kind. It is just a superficial appearance thing it is not actually what she is at her core.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 13:25

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:23

"Prosecutor Julia Faure Walker told the court Mr Linehan, 57, posted online about Ms Brooks "relentlessly" and that his behaviour amounted to harassment.
The posts were "calculated to produce alarm or distress … were verbally abusive and vindictive and reflected … Mr Linehan's deep disliking of Ms Brooks," she added.

Graham Linehan has become a vocal critic of transgender activism in recent years. (Reuters: Jack Taylor)
In the posts, Mr Linehan accused Ms Brooks of "domestic terrorism" and called the activist a "deeply disturbed sociopath" and a "malignant narcissist", the court heard.
He also said that Ms Brooks, who was 17 at the time of the posts, was "behind countless episodes of harassment of women and gay men both online and off"."

Oh dear…

Edited

This is harassment, not a 'rude tweet'

KateShugakIsALegend · 30/09/2025 13:26

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 13:23

"Prosecutor Julia Faure Walker told the court Mr Linehan, 57, posted online about Ms Brooks "relentlessly" and that his behaviour amounted to harassment.
The posts were "calculated to produce alarm or distress … were verbally abusive and vindictive and reflected … Mr Linehan's deep disliking of Ms Brooks," she added.

Graham Linehan has become a vocal critic of transgender activism in recent years. (Reuters: Jack Taylor)
In the posts, Mr Linehan accused Ms Brooks of "domestic terrorism" and called the activist a "deeply disturbed sociopath" and a "malignant narcissist", the court heard.
He also said that Ms Brooks, who was 17 at the time of the posts, was "behind countless episodes of harassment of women and gay men both online and off"."

Oh dear…

Edited

Where's the threats to rape and murder - did I miss those?

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