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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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teawamutu · 30/09/2025 10:22

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:20

Probably the same level as though that JKR gave to the main actors when she started with the tweets and how they would be put in difficult positions in all of their interviews.

It wasn’t malicious and I think it has been important to do, but this conflict has dominated their public personas for a while now.

Mostly because there's so very little of interest to say about them otherwise.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 10:23

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:22

This is true, but I am still disappointed that she chose to attack her for her wealth and status and not her words.

I think she missed a real opportunity to speak to Emma and find out why rather than making assumptions.

And maybe I am just ready for all the animosity to resolve x

Edited

If you think that's what she said, you didn't read it or you saw it not as she is but as you are.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 10:24

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:22

This is true, but I am still disappointed that she chose to attack her for her wealth and status and not her words.

I think she missed a real opportunity to speak to Emma and find out why rather than making assumptions.

And maybe I am just ready for all the animosity to resolve x

Edited

She didnt attack her wealth though. She pointed out how her privilege made her blind to the plight of women who's rights to single sex spaces she wants to hand over to men.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 10:24

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 10:23

If you think that's what she said, you didn't read it or you saw it not as she is but as you are.

Great phrase!

HectorPlasm · 30/09/2025 10:25

Why isn't Grint copping any flack? Did he not join in the pile-on?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:25

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:22

This is true, but I am still disappointed that she chose to attack her for her wealth and status and not her words.

I think she missed a real opportunity to speak to Emma and find out why rather than making assumptions.

And maybe I am just ready for all the animosity to resolve x

Edited

Jeezo

the point is that her wealth and status insulates EW from the consequences of her views, while ordinary women suffer if society functions in the way EW advocates for

it’s really not hard

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:25

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 10:24

She didnt attack her wealth though. She pointed out how her privilege made her blind to the plight of women who's rights to single sex spaces she wants to hand over to men.

That is an assumption that wealth and privilege is the reason she disagrees with her.

She won’t know until she asks her.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 10:27

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:25

That is an assumption that wealth and privilege is the reason she disagrees with her.

She won’t know until she asks her.

I think she's being generous actually.

The other explanation for why Emma hasnt considered vulnerable women's needs here is that she doesn't give a shit.

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:27

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:25

Jeezo

the point is that her wealth and status insulates EW from the consequences of her views, while ordinary women suffer if society functions in the way EW advocates for

it’s really not hard

Again that is an assumption she has made based in her opinions of wealthy and privileged people.

She doesn’t know why Emma has those opinions unless she asks her.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:27

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:25

That is an assumption that wealth and privilege is the reason she disagrees with her.

She won’t know until she asks her.

Nope, there’s an assumption that EW can advocate for men in women’s spaces all day long and due to her wealth it will never affect her

nicepotoftea · 30/09/2025 10:29

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:20

Probably the same level as though that JKR gave to the main actors when she started with the tweets and how they would be put in difficult positions in all of their interviews.

It wasn’t malicious and I think it has been important to do, but this conflict has dominated their public personas for a while now.

Probably the same level as though that JKR gave to the main actors when she started with the tweets and how they would be put in difficult positions in all of their interviews.

It wasn't tweeting that got her into trouble initially. It was following the wrong people and not seeking forgiveness for her sins.

Again, many, many actors have appeared in the HP films, and have not felt any need to comment.

JK Rowling has also expressed polarising views on Brexit, Scottish Independence and Jeremy Corbyn, without running them past the Harry Potter cast. She donated £1million to the Labour Party while the films were still being made.

Rowling explained her view in detail in her 2020 essay, and Radcliffe and Watson were as able to read that as anyone else, but had the additional advantage of being able to phone her if they were confused or upset by any of her views.

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:30

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 10:27

I think she's being generous actually.

The other explanation for why Emma hasnt considered vulnerable women's needs here is that she doesn't give a shit.

Could be.. she had led a very different set of issues that she has had to deal with. I can’t imagine it was great experiencing men publically counting down to the time you were “legal”.

So maybe she hates JKR and HP for ruining her life… it’s possible and plausible.

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 10:30

@MyKindHiker

Unlike many on Mumsnet I don't hold very deeply held views on gender identity. Discussion for another day but I'm open to being educated by both sides.

you could read (the book lenght posts) around the NHS Fife case which (IMO) shows the ways that the ideology undermines Womens Rights in the work place and in medicine and as its Scotland in the political sphere.
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53

Or the situation in a school where girls are expected to share changing rooms with some but not all boys in their class
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404868-single-sex-changing-spaces-in-a-brighton-secondary-school-new-school-year-new-thread

Peggie vs Fife Health Board and Dr. B Upton

Changing rooms at centre of workplace discord

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:31

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:27

Again that is an assumption she has made based in her opinions of wealthy and privileged people.

She doesn’t know why Emma has those opinions unless she asks her.

jeez Louise

it’s not about EW’s opinions, it’s about the opportunities her wealth affords her

she will never need a homeless shelter, or use a youth hostel come to that. What does it matter to her if women using those resources find a surprise penis (with a man attached) in their dormitory?

it’s yet again a case of ‘my no overrules your yes’, something women advocating for men in women’s spaces consistently fail to get their heads around

hihelenhi · 30/09/2025 10:31

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:27

Again that is an assumption she has made based in her opinions of wealthy and privileged people.

She doesn’t know why Emma has those opinions unless she asks her.

Why? Emma clearly has not bothered to ask JKR why she has her (experience and evidence-based) opinions on women's rights and safe spaces.

Instead she virtue signals, asks people to make donations to a known child-sterilisation organisation and completely ignores that as a self-declared "feminist", she might perhaps want to ask this older, experienced woman (one who feels so strongly she has put everything on the line for it and endured years of unhinged hatred from the perennially ill-informed and gullible) why she feels the way she does instead of making silly glib comments at award shows about witches.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 10:32

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:30

Could be.. she had led a very different set of issues that she has had to deal with. I can’t imagine it was great experiencing men publically counting down to the time you were “legal”.

So maybe she hates JKR and HP for ruining her life… it’s possible and plausible.

If HP ruined her life, why would that be JKR's fault? Her parents signed the contracts, JKR didn't strong arm her.

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 30/09/2025 10:33

"She could have contacted me privately any time to say her views had changed, if they have. I'd have been entirely supportive. What she's chosen to do instead is yet another bit of public brand repositioning, without talking to me, but using me for her purpose. It's getting old."

But Watson's views have not changed - she's just adopted the "people with different views can still get along" position.

JKR appears unwilling to forgive her unless she changes her views, which is her prerogative, of course.

Bedheadbeachbum · 30/09/2025 10:34

I think what a lot of people fail to realise is just how many threats of violence, death etc on JKR and her family because of who she is and just how intense that has been. EW, DR and co have a huge platform & connection to her so whatever they say was always going to have a huge effect.

So it's not the same as me publically disagreeing with my former colleague - because we're non-entities, millions of people aren't going to be interested and no ones safety & family is at risk.

I'm glad of this turn about though because it shows the tide has turned - in EWs case JKR is obviously very skeptical of the sincerity, and even if it was I'd say the damage has been done.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 10:34

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 30/09/2025 10:33

"She could have contacted me privately any time to say her views had changed, if they have. I'd have been entirely supportive. What she's chosen to do instead is yet another bit of public brand repositioning, without talking to me, but using me for her purpose. It's getting old."

But Watson's views have not changed - she's just adopted the "people with different views can still get along" position.

JKR appears unwilling to forgive her unless she changes her views, which is her prerogative, of course.

That's not what JKR is saying, read her tweet

Okrr · 30/09/2025 10:34

She is an amazing woman, I admire her.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:34

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 30/09/2025 10:33

"She could have contacted me privately any time to say her views had changed, if they have. I'd have been entirely supportive. What she's chosen to do instead is yet another bit of public brand repositioning, without talking to me, but using me for her purpose. It's getting old."

But Watson's views have not changed - she's just adopted the "people with different views can still get along" position.

JKR appears unwilling to forgive her unless she changes her views, which is her prerogative, of course.

I read it that it’s EW’s behaviour not her views that are the problem

Rupert Grint hasn’t had a public spanking and he has stated that he shares EWs views

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 10:36

HectorPlasm · 30/09/2025 10:25

Why isn't Grint copping any flack? Did he not join in the pile-on?

Not as much. He thinks TWAW and said so after JKR spoke out, but made more attempts to be nuanced and also didn't do the thing DR did of trying to take ownership of the franchise. He hasn't shown any evidence of thinking his involvement with Harry Potter gives him a special right, position or duty to speak, which the other two have and which JKR is evidently particularly fucked off about.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 10:37

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 30/09/2025 10:33

"She could have contacted me privately any time to say her views had changed, if they have. I'd have been entirely supportive. What she's chosen to do instead is yet another bit of public brand repositioning, without talking to me, but using me for her purpose. It's getting old."

But Watson's views have not changed - she's just adopted the "people with different views can still get along" position.

JKR appears unwilling to forgive her unless she changes her views, which is her prerogative, of course.

She didn't just express a different view, though. That's a total misrepresentation of what happened.

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:38

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:31

jeez Louise

it’s not about EW’s opinions, it’s about the opportunities her wealth affords her

she will never need a homeless shelter, or use a youth hostel come to that. What does it matter to her if women using those resources find a surprise penis (with a man attached) in their dormitory?

it’s yet again a case of ‘my no overrules your yes’, something women advocating for men in women’s spaces consistently fail to get their heads around

But why is that knowledge more important in this discussion than the knowledge that EW experienced when making that film with that creep that was so bad she had to leave it. Maybe in the world EQ lives in the TGW
are the safer men to be around?

I don’t know why EW thinks the way she does, it is incoherent to me that she couldn’t see that she might be fine with a TGW in toilets but understand she can’t consent for other women.

I still maintain that it was a cheap shot JKR made to shut her up, rather than listen to her. I maintain that JKR does have a weakness of being reactive and superior at times that has the potential to undermine her weaken her stance. I think this is one of those times.

hihelenhi · 30/09/2025 10:39

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:31

jeez Louise

it’s not about EW’s opinions, it’s about the opportunities her wealth affords her

she will never need a homeless shelter, or use a youth hostel come to that. What does it matter to her if women using those resources find a surprise penis (with a man attached) in their dormitory?

it’s yet again a case of ‘my no overrules your yes’, something women advocating for men in women’s spaces consistently fail to get their heads around

And yes, class and privilege and a lack of comprehension about what it's like not to be able to be sheltered by those absolutely has had a massive impact in the so-called gender debate. It is overwhelmingly the more middle class who think it's all fine and the next big civil rights movement, and the posher they are, the more it becomes evident. Witness many current members of the Green party (lots of public school there), or the Jocasta/Tarquin school of "social activism" you see a lot these days, which is mostly divorced from reality or any of the hardships which drove the grassroots civil rights battles of the past.

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