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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 30/09/2025 10:43

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:34

I read it that it’s EW’s behaviour not her views that are the problem

Rupert Grint hasn’t had a public spanking and he has stated that he shares EWs views

I agree her behaviour was a problem. The witches thing was rude and she should have apologised. But a lot of JKR's tweet was about why GC beliefs are right, and TWAW wrong, which is not a criticism of Watson's behaviour.

VegemiteOnToast · 30/09/2025 10:43

JK's ego is bigger than our solar system.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:44

2021x · 30/09/2025 10:38

But why is that knowledge more important in this discussion than the knowledge that EW experienced when making that film with that creep that was so bad she had to leave it. Maybe in the world EQ lives in the TGW
are the safer men to be around?

I don’t know why EW thinks the way she does, it is incoherent to me that she couldn’t see that she might be fine with a TGW in toilets but understand she can’t consent for other women.

I still maintain that it was a cheap shot JKR made to shut her up, rather than listen to her. I maintain that JKR does have a weakness of being reactive and superior at times that has the potential to undermine her weaken her stance. I think this is one of those times.

I watched the Barbie movie recently. One of the Barbie’s gets given a Nobel prize and says ‘Thanks. I worked really hard and I deserve this’

it felt revolutionary to see a woman unapologetically taking ownership of her achievements and not pussyfooting around the feelings of others less talented and hard working than her

posts like this tell me why. There are still many people who just can’t handle this sort of behaviour from women

SionnachRuadh · 30/09/2025 10:45

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 10:34

I read it that it’s EW’s behaviour not her views that are the problem

Rupert Grint hasn’t had a public spanking and he has stated that he shares EWs views

Rupert hasn't, but I think that's because his statements have been very anodyne and not taken aim at JKR in the same way, and anyway he's been quietly carrying on with his acting career. And while he's done some charity work he doesn't seem to be one of those actors who needs to have an "activism" strand to his portfolio.

He doesn't seem to feel like he's a permanent representative of the HP brand in the same way Emma and Dan do, and doesn't feel the need to leverage his status with the fans to regularly countersignal JKR.

nicepotoftea · 30/09/2025 10:47

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 30/09/2025 10:33

"She could have contacted me privately any time to say her views had changed, if they have. I'd have been entirely supportive. What she's chosen to do instead is yet another bit of public brand repositioning, without talking to me, but using me for her purpose. It's getting old."

But Watson's views have not changed - she's just adopted the "people with different views can still get along" position.

JKR appears unwilling to forgive her unless she changes her views, which is her prerogative, of course.

I agree that for Rowling it's not just about the behaviour, but at this point, if Watson hasn't changed her views even a little, particularly following the Cass report, she is deliberately refusing to understand Rowling's point of view and motivation - and it's difficult to reconcile that with claims of 'love'.

cavalier · 30/09/2025 10:50

Emma is sadly thick as mince it seems and very entitled .. sadly the egos take over ..
I can only imagine her mummy and daddy are hippy dippy types

lovely girl but not very bright

JK is amazingly articulate .. Emma should
just apologise and be humble and tell JK she is grateful to her even though they don’t agree

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 10:50

VegemiteOnToast · 30/09/2025 10:43

JK's ego is bigger than our solar system.

Even if that were true, she would have earned it, and her heart is even bigger than that.

ThatOneStupidPheasant · 30/09/2025 10:51

Whatever her beliefs, JKR is insufferably self important, I so wish there was a less long winded, self congratulatory spokesperson, but here we are. We are all different.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 10:57

ThatOneStupidPheasant · 30/09/2025 10:51

Whatever her beliefs, JKR is insufferably self important, I so wish there was a less long winded, self congratulatory spokesperson, but here we are. We are all different.

Thoughts and prayers.

earphoneson · 30/09/2025 11:00

JK might be articulate but people are not reading what she actually said.
They read the headlines of Metro and Independent etc, who of course twisted it all again for the click-baits and she’s getting hatred for speaking up about getting hatred - oh, poor victim and all that.

Trying to explain your pov to people who don’t want to hear it often backfires.

heathspeedwell · 30/09/2025 11:00

Every day JK Rowling makes the world a better, safer place for women and girls. And she's remarkably humble about all her achievements. Lots of people don't even realise that Rowling air lifted vulnerable women out of Afghanistan, or that she has revolutionised care for orphaned children.

In contrast Watson encouraged her followers to donate to Mermaids - a charity that was pushing vulnerable children to take experimental, life-shortening drugs. Those drugs have now thankfully been banned, but Watson has never apologised for supporting the biggest medical scandal of our age.

teawamutu · 30/09/2025 11:01

ThatOneStupidPheasant · 30/09/2025 10:51

Whatever her beliefs, JKR is insufferably self important, I so wish there was a less long winded, self congratulatory spokesperson, but here we are. We are all different.

"I'm as GC as they come, but..."

🙄

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 30/09/2025 11:01

nicepotoftea · 30/09/2025 10:47

I agree that for Rowling it's not just about the behaviour, but at this point, if Watson hasn't changed her views even a little, particularly following the Cass report, she is deliberately refusing to understand Rowling's point of view and motivation - and it's difficult to reconcile that with claims of 'love'.

There are still lots of people, including clever, well-educated people, without trans relatives, who still believe, although survey evidence shows the numbers dropping over time. I think it would be fascinating to try to find out why, and whether they have anything in common.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 11:03

I think Emma struggles with accountability for her actions. Her 'excuse' after getting the driving ban was absolutely ridiculous and demonstrated significant immaturity.

Slothtoes · 30/09/2025 11:04

I wonder if there’s going to be a future caseload of child actors seeking to claim that they have been exploited as children by the media or film industries and who then seek redress for the long term emotional effects of early fame on them. I have some sympathy with their position. I can imagine the Potter ‘kids’ being a key example if legal cases are made in that kind of scenario.

None of that is any excuse for supporting a damaging modern form of sexist men’s rights activism or for taking pot shots at someone publicly because you don’t like their perfectly respectable and reasonable flavour of politics- but it would also make a very handy way to deflect attention away from any bad behaviours done by former child actors.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 11:08

Yeah, I mean one of the morals of this story is under no circumstances put your kids into show business. It’s very unlikely to result in sustainable happiness and robust mental health for them

Lalgarh · 30/09/2025 11:09

HectorPlasm · 30/09/2025 10:25

Why isn't Grint copping any flack? Did he not join in the pile-on?

He's Ginger so is a protected group

Nowdontmakeamess · 30/09/2025 11:09

Slothtoes · 30/09/2025 11:04

I wonder if there’s going to be a future caseload of child actors seeking to claim that they have been exploited as children by the media or film industries and who then seek redress for the long term emotional effects of early fame on them. I have some sympathy with their position. I can imagine the Potter ‘kids’ being a key example if legal cases are made in that kind of scenario.

None of that is any excuse for supporting a damaging modern form of sexist men’s rights activism or for taking pot shots at someone publicly because you don’t like their perfectly respectable and reasonable flavour of politics- but it would also make a very handy way to deflect attention away from any bad behaviours done by former child actors.

They are millionaires. I think that’s compensation enough.

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 11:11

2021x · 30/09/2025 09:27

She could have done, and there will be reasons why she didn’t. JKR could have picked up the phone after EW made the donation to mermaids to find out more about her position rather than take cheap shots on at her on twitter.

We can to a fro all the time, but this is wasting time, both have behaved a bit childishly at times, and I can give them both grace for that considering the toxic environment they both find themselves in.

But….JKR is still human and this particular response demonstrates that. In my opinion it was dismissive of EW experience and opinions which is exactly what she has been accused of all along.

She fell into the trap, and we are all talking about this rather than about the actual
issue.

Edited

Hang on

Give me a time line please?

● When was it that EW "made the donationn to mermaids"?

● When was it that JKR began to "cheap shots on at her on twitter." ?

Are you claiming that the time line that JKR stated is not factual?

What evidence is there of this?

Or that JKR has made a public comment naming EW at some stage before this one :

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.
.
I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.
.
Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.
.
However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.
.
When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.
.
The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.
.
Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?
.
I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.
.
The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.
.
Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

[(Edited) gurrrr🤳 MN keeps eating the paragraph breaks]

Horsie · 30/09/2025 11:11

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 07:42

You are confused?

In the UK there are two sex and two single sex spaces?

If one is of the female sex one may access the female sex space.

If one is of the male sex one may access the male space.

JKR has never campaigned for males to be prevented from entering male single sex spaces or females being excluded from WSSS.

Can you produce any evidence of JKR having campaigned for men/males to be prevented from MSSS or women/females from WSSS?

Yeah, sorry, it was late. I read single sex spaces as meaning female sex spaces. Guess that's what the Beeb meant, and should have written.

Lalgarh · 30/09/2025 11:17

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 11:03

I think Emma struggles with accountability for her actions. Her 'excuse' after getting the driving ban was absolutely ridiculous and demonstrated significant immaturity.

I didn't realise about the driving ban so looked it up.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/25493297.emma-watson-finally-breaks-silence-humbling-driving-ban/

Oh god she's an Audi driver 🙄😜😲

Actress Emma Watson breaks silence on 'humbling' driving ban

Harry Potter star and Oxford University student Emma Watson has finally broken her silence following her driving ban in an interview with Jay Shetty.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/25493297.emma-watson-finally-breaks-silence-humbling-driving-ban/

WinterTrees · 30/09/2025 11:17

There's no doubt that integrity is the cornerstone of JKR's character, I think that shines through all aspects of her life, career and her writing. So those saying 'well yes, she has a point but couldn't she have been more gracious to EW in public/ said nothing/ kept it all behind closed doors?' are missing the point. Putting on a face of fake friendship and making a public statement of 'love' is utterly misaligned with the values of a woman who has risked everything to speak the truth, no matter how difficult or dangerous.

She has been clear at every single step along the journey that the reason she is speaking that truth and risking so much is to safeguard women and girls who were being sacrificed to a men's rights movement in disguise. Being laser-focused on this and never losing sight of it must have been the thing that kept her going in the face of the kind of pressure that is impossible for most of us to comprehend. In view of this I can entirely see why she has little patience for tiptoeing around EW's ego and zero interest in performing a faux-sincere luvvie reconciliation to boost EW's flagging career. She has had every kind of slur and violent threat thrown at her in the last 5 years, why would the sadface of a privileged actress be the thing that made her thing 'crikey, better be nice so people don't think I'm a meanie....'?

I think few people have genuine strength, courage and integrity and know they would be able to retain all of those things when severely, relentlessly tested over a sustained period of time. JKR is one of them. I'd hazard that jettisoning the people-pleasing habit is central to that.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 11:18

Lalgarh · 30/09/2025 11:17

I didn't realise about the driving ban so looked it up.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/25493297.emma-watson-finally-breaks-silence-humbling-driving-ban/

Oh god she's an Audi driver 🙄😜😲

Audi! I should have known! 🤣

SionnachRuadh · 30/09/2025 11:18

I find it difficult to think of any child actors who've grown up to be well adjusted adults. I have a lot of compassion for how Drew Barrymore was screwed up by her experiences, and at the age of 50 she's still obviously carrying a lot of trauma... but if you want to see something really creepy, look up Drew's interview with Dylan Mulvaney.

With EW it's quite legitimate to say that she's lived in a bubble of privilege since she was 10, and can't even conceptualise the lives of women who need single sex spaces.

Chersfrozenface · 30/09/2025 11:23

With EW it's quite legitimate to say that she's lived in a bubble of privilege since she was 10, and can't even conceptualise the lives of women who need single sex spaces.

She's lived in a bubble of privilege all her life. She was born to two English lawyers who lived in a very affluent suburb of Paris before divorcing and moving back to England. She went to a private school in Oxford that was founded in 1877.

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