Trans people frightened to leave homes, says MP

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"Trans people are frightened to go out or use public toilets after the Supreme Court ruling which defined a woman in terms of biological sex, a Labour MP has said."

"Rachel Taylor, who is a member of the women and equality select committee, described the interim guidance put forward by the equality and human rights commission after the ruling as “dangerous” and “incorrect”."

www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-party-conference-2025-live-keir-starmer-latest-news-v7zvhgqhg

How do you let it go when this MP on the Women and Equality Select Committee seems to misunderstand the role of the Supreme Court and the EHRC?

Apparently she expects the EHRC to issue guidance that contravenes the law - what should we do - ignore her?

can I ask, as this also happened in our family…did it come out of the blue? Is he autistic, has mental health issues?
How do the family respond to him? I can’t use pronouns as my relative has been known to me as he for over twenty years. They conveniently have a unisex name. Their whole entire identity is tied up in trans and they don’t leave the house or have a job.

Last year Pink News were bigging her up as one of the record tally of LGBTQ+ MPs, which I decode as meaning she's lesbian, but not one of those bad lesbians who disagree with Pink News.

Members of the alphabet community are ridiculously overrepresented in the Parliamentary Labour Party, some say up to 25%. I stress that I don't have a problem at all with gay or lesbian MPs - I don't even have a problem with them being somewhat overrepresented. But if they're massively overrepresented and also sifted for ideological conformism, then we've got a sense of why Bridget Phillipson is having problems asserting that women exist.

I live in an area that has a high percentage of men of all persuasions. I see them walk down the street and on public transport all the time. I still don’t want to see any of them in female single sex spaces.

I wish people would stop pretending it’s about being trans when everyone knows it’s about being men.

And if you are seeing trans people all the time, they can’t be that frightened to go out.

That is so lovely thank you BunfightBetty and it's very good of you to post such affirming things. That's the way I'd like to be perceived, so it's nice to know I'm doing fairly OK at it

I’m talking about them leaving their homes as per the thread title. I’ve seen men in women’s loos at Somerset house and can confirm i caused what could be politely described as a scene.

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I see. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

I’m talking about them leaving their homes as per the thread title. I’ve seen men in women’s loos at Somerset house and can confirm i caused what could be politely described as a scene.

Ah ok, I get you.

Wish I'd seen the scene!

no probs.

I suspect you’d have approved I hope you’d have joined in with me!

I'm not a fan of unisex facilities either. There needs to be a third & fourth space for trans people to use, even if that means making the men's and women's loos a bit smaller to accommodate the extra necessary space.

According to TRAs I've read elsewhere on t'internet this is not viable because people will just constantly wait around outside them to beat them up, but as the PPs friends experience shows that's unlikely to be the case.

All the reported incidents that are alleged to have occurred since the Supreme Court judgment have been in women's toilets.

Surely that would suggest that they should use men's toilets for their own safety.

He's not a small, slight woman. He's a small, slight man. Irrespective of adverse comments, body size or clothing, using male toilets is the correct thing to do.

Re: Rachel Taylor, I don't believe her.

Let's go and talk on another thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5419068-middle-aged-brothers-suddenly-finding-a-trans-identity

For sure!

In fact, I was very vocal when I encountered a man in the women's toilets at a train station, he was masturbating and then tried to sexually assault me.

Not all men are like that. But some are. So let's keep them all out of women's single-sex spaces, however they are dressed. Decent men understand this.

Sad thing is, when I saw the thread title, I just knew it would be a woman MP. And it is.

@MerrymouseIm talking about posts I’ve seen over the months which are really unpleasant and unnecessary. Not necessarily yours.

I’m so sorry you had to go through that, I’d have been terrified. Sometimes I take a look back at the situation and remain staggered we’re having to defend our rights to women’s only loo’s. It’s completely and utterly fucking mental.

(Male toilets) “According to (autistic) DS the social rules around toiletting/urinals are a minefield. I’d like to see that covered.

eh? You don’t make eye contact. You don’t talk (unless alcohol is involved) You don’t take a urinal next to another person, unless there is no other option. You certainly don’t comment on what anyone is wearing

sounds straightforward

Thanks. Nah, my instinct was to be furious not terrified. He was quite literally a pathetic little wanker.

I've no problem kicking up a loud fuss in public. But would my granny have felt able to do that? Or my little niece? Or countless other women and girls who would have frozen in fear? And why should they have to, in a space that is designated for them?

You are right, it's completely and utterly fucking mental that we've reached this point.

I saw two today out and about so that’s tosh for a start

Urinal selection quiz: https://www.buzzfeed.com/sydrobinson1/which-urinal-should-you-really-pee-in

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