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PrawnofthePatriarchy · 2025-09-29T08:26:43+00:00

"Trans people are frightened to go out or use public toilets after the Supreme Court ruling which defined a woman in terms of biological sex, a Labour MP has said." "Rachel Taylor, who is a member of the women and equality select committee, described the interim guidance put forward by the equality and human rights commission after the ruling as “dangerous” and “incorrect”." https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-party-conference-2025-live-keir-starmer-latest-news-v7zvhgqhg

Helleofabore · 29/09/2025 13:20

Echobelly · 29/09/2025 12:09

My friend's fiancee is a trans woman and she's certainly scared about loos. She has decided she's sufficiently worried about getting attacked or otherwise punished for using women's loos where there's not a neutral alternative that she'll use the men's. Thus far has to put up with 'I think you're in the wrong toilets love' (she is a small, slight woman who you can't 'always tell' is trans) from men and thank God nothing worse yet, but she's already very introverted and socially anxious and this is not helping.

It is good to hear that your friend's fiancé is using male provisions now if there is no unisex option. I think it is time that male people really start to talk about this amongst themselves and work out ways to make sure all male people feel safe in those spaces.

I doubt that any female person will do more than ask someone if they are in the correct space for them though, so I am not sure why your friend's fiancé feels they will be 'attacked' for being in the female space. As to punishment, well, does your friend's fiancé understand that laws being broken will have some kind of ramification attached to that law?

But it is great though that your friend's fiancee understands that female people that are 'very introverted and socially anxious' will be immensely helped by their observance of the law and of those female people's needs. Because I am sure there are plenty of 'small, slight' men and boys who will be also using the exact same spaces as your friend's fiance. So, they are absolutely in the right space for their sex.

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2025 13:22

BunfightBetty · 29/09/2025 13:11

I don't disagree with you in the main, but I think it is pretty thick - despite the book larning - to go along with this. And morally craven. Though perhaps the more apposite term is to 'beclown' themselves, as they really are making a holy show of themselves by going along with this.

It's really illuminating to watch otherwise reasonably intelligent people let their brains fall out over this, just because they're more concerned with being seen to 'be kind' or - more cynically but perhaps more accurately for Rachel Taylor.- because it's expedient for them to do so and they've identified that it's necessary for them to pretend to agree if they want to climb the greasy pole.

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I don't disagree with you not disagreeing with me
'Morally craven' is spot-on as is brains-falling-out.
And expediency in most cases too - which means that the more pushback there is against genderwoo, the less expedient it will be for those wishing to climb the greasy pole.. which is quite an encouraging thought.

I've just noticed 'iceflow' instead of 'icefloe' in my earlier post😱
The drinks are on me in Pedantry Corner in the Bluestocking tonight😁

Imnobody4 · 29/09/2025 13:27

LGBT+ Labour lists this MP as part of the “Chris Smith List”; a list of LGBT+ candidates in receipt of funding from LGBT+ Labour in support of their campaigns.

Greyskybluesky · 29/09/2025 13:29

LeeshaPaper · 29/09/2025 13:19

If they are so good at passing as women then how would we notice they're there? This is a catch 22 of their own making.
Either you are sure you can pass as a woman therefore who will catch you out? Or you know you can't pass as a woman ergo you should never have been in the women's toilets to begin with.

Yes, this reminds me of the phrases that are regularly trotted out:
"we've always been here"
"you've probably peed next to a transwoman in the ladies loos and never noticed"
etc etc

So why all the worry now about getting attacked or otherwise punished for using women's loos?

(Just to clarify: for me, it's not about 'passing'. Men should never have been, and should never be, in the women's to begin with, 'passing' or not)

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 29/09/2025 13:31

Same ol same ol cry bullying, you'd think they'd come up with some thing new, it's clearly not working for them anymore. It's like the whole country's been turned in to one big therapy session, and we're all support animals for the unhinged.

Timeforabitofpeace · 29/09/2025 13:31

I think that the debate has become hateful. I’ve said previously that some of the comments on here are beyond unnecessary. Immature, some of them. I always get a pile on for saying it, but it’s true. Nobody has heeded the judges warnings about not letting it get here. It’s not necessary. Not all trans people are fighting to use women toilets or doing awful things. I’m sure many aren’t. Keep them out of women’s spaces, fine, I agree. But then let it go and leave people alone.

spannasaurus · 29/09/2025 13:35

Timeforabitofpeace · 29/09/2025 13:31

I think that the debate has become hateful. I’ve said previously that some of the comments on here are beyond unnecessary. Immature, some of them. I always get a pile on for saying it, but it’s true. Nobody has heeded the judges warnings about not letting it get here. It’s not necessary. Not all trans people are fighting to use women toilets or doing awful things. I’m sure many aren’t. Keep them out of women’s spaces, fine, I agree. But then let it go and leave people alone.

When men are being kept out of womans spaces and organisations start complying with the supreme court judgment and children are no longer being medicalised and gaslit I'd be happy to leave it alone.

Until then I will keep on speaking

ilod · 29/09/2025 13:37

Timeforabitofpeace · 29/09/2025 13:31

I think that the debate has become hateful. I’ve said previously that some of the comments on here are beyond unnecessary. Immature, some of them. I always get a pile on for saying it, but it’s true. Nobody has heeded the judges warnings about not letting it get here. It’s not necessary. Not all trans people are fighting to use women toilets or doing awful things. I’m sure many aren’t. Keep them out of women’s spaces, fine, I agree. But then let it go and leave people alone.

oh, a NAMALT argument? We’ve not had one of those for about five minutes…

BunfightBetty · 29/09/2025 13:37

Timeforabitofpeace · 29/09/2025 13:31

I think that the debate has become hateful. I’ve said previously that some of the comments on here are beyond unnecessary. Immature, some of them. I always get a pile on for saying it, but it’s true. Nobody has heeded the judges warnings about not letting it get here. It’s not necessary. Not all trans people are fighting to use women toilets or doing awful things. I’m sure many aren’t. Keep them out of women’s spaces, fine, I agree. But then let it go and leave people alone.

Which particular comments on this thread, in your view, are 'hateful' and why?

spannasaurus · 29/09/2025 13:39

If you want examples of hate have a look at terfisaslur.com

Trans people frightened to leave homes, says MP

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 29/09/2025 13:40

Timeforabitofpeace · 29/09/2025 13:31

I think that the debate has become hateful. I’ve said previously that some of the comments on here are beyond unnecessary. Immature, some of them. I always get a pile on for saying it, but it’s true. Nobody has heeded the judges warnings about not letting it get here. It’s not necessary. Not all trans people are fighting to use women toilets or doing awful things. I’m sure many aren’t. Keep them out of women’s spaces, fine, I agree. But then let it go and leave people alone.

"Nobody has heeded the judges warnings about not letting it get here. "

and how many activists in the batshitery have heeded the clarification of the Judge, this thread is about yet another MP refusing to heed the judgment of the highest court in the land.

I'm not letting it go.

oopsHereItIs · 29/09/2025 13:41

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 12:58

This is unlawful.

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Yah. But a lot of laws in the UK has no common sense.

Mistyglade · 29/09/2025 13:42

I live in Lambeth which apparently has the highest number of trans people in the country. I can confirm I see a number of men in women’s clothes most days whilst I’m on the bus or
walking the streets. Never have I seen said people look concerned nor anyone else concerned with them. Nobody gives a shit, we tend to keep out of other people’s business because it’s none of ours.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 13:44

oopsHereItIs · 29/09/2025 13:41

Yah. But a lot of laws in the UK has no common sense.

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Huh?

Do you mean a lot of laws are not complied with?

Greyskybluesky · 29/09/2025 13:46

Mistyglade · 29/09/2025 13:42

I live in Lambeth which apparently has the highest number of trans people in the country. I can confirm I see a number of men in women’s clothes most days whilst I’m on the bus or
walking the streets. Never have I seen said people look concerned nor anyone else concerned with them. Nobody gives a shit, we tend to keep out of other people’s business because it’s none of ours.

No one gives a shit about someone walking down the street.

But that Molly whats-his-name waving his camera about in the ladies lavs, yes I do have a strong opinion on that.

Dahliadaily · 29/09/2025 13:46

Helleofabore · 29/09/2025 09:45

It is horrific to think that a group has been told so much misinformation that they are fearful to leave their homes. Because they could plan their days so that it was not an issue and use the unisex toilets and changing rooms that they tell women and girls that they should use (because that apparently is the solution and all facilities should be these unisex spaces).

There really is something disconnected in the discussion points. It only makes sense when you realise it isn’t about having safe spaces for that group at all, it is about validation. They cannot be happy unless a group of male people are accepted in the female single sex provisions.

And that some female people are distressed and / or intimidated by their presence could be seen as a bonus for some of that group.

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BunfightBetty · 29/09/2025 13:47

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2025 13:22

I don't disagree with you not disagreeing with me
'Morally craven' is spot-on as is brains-falling-out.
And expediency in most cases too - which means that the more pushback there is against genderwoo, the less expedient it will be for those wishing to climb the greasy pole.. which is quite an encouraging thought.

I've just noticed 'iceflow' instead of 'icefloe' in my earlier post😱
The drinks are on me in Pedantry Corner in the Bluestocking tonight😁

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I don't disagree with you not disagreeing with me
@MarieDeGournay You're always so reasonable, thoughtful and kind on every thread I see you post on. Just about as opposite to 'hateful' as you could get.

I totally agree with you about the more pushback the better.

We can forgive you the 'iceflow' moment 😉, though drinks are always welcome 🤪

BunfightBetty · 29/09/2025 13:48

oopsHereItIs · 29/09/2025 13:41

Yah. But a lot of laws in the UK has no common sense.

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This one is eminently sensible, however.

unsync · 29/09/2025 13:49

So because they are scared of other men, they want to use women's loos? Why is it our problem to fix? They should be campaigning for more acceptance from biological men, not taking our spaces. In fact, this is what Rachel Taylor should be telling them.

Fancy making assumptions about such an important document that is directly related to your sphere of activity without having read it. I am also going to make an assumption - she's obviously dense and therefore not fit to hold that office.

BunfightBetty · 29/09/2025 13:51

Imnobody4 · 29/09/2025 13:27

LGBT+ Labour lists this MP as part of the “Chris Smith List”; a list of LGBT+ candidates in receipt of funding from LGBT+ Labour in support of their campaigns.

Colour me surprised.

Such are the joys of our 'democracy'. Sigh.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2025 13:51

Timeforabitofpeace · 29/09/2025 13:31

I think that the debate has become hateful. I’ve said previously that some of the comments on here are beyond unnecessary. Immature, some of them. I always get a pile on for saying it, but it’s true. Nobody has heeded the judges warnings about not letting it get here. It’s not necessary. Not all trans people are fighting to use women toilets or doing awful things. I’m sure many aren’t. Keep them out of women’s spaces, fine, I agree. But then let it go and leave people alone.

Which comments are 'beyond unneccessary', please?

oopsHereItIs · 29/09/2025 13:54

BunfightBetty · 29/09/2025 13:48

This one is eminently sensible, however.

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Yes, I don't disagree with that.

My point was about places that (work around the law and) change the womens into unisex toilets so anybody can use it; so in that regards, there is no female toilets in those buildings but 'unisex' and 'mens'.

Nestingbirds · 29/09/2025 13:55

Why is their fear (1%)more important than 51% of the population that have very real reasons why they don’t want to share places like lavatories. Women’s safety trumps all else I am afraid.

rriffraff · 29/09/2025 13:56

Rachel Taylor, who is a member of the women and equality select committee

Why do I get the feeling that the 'woman' part of this select committee is getting less and less slice of the pie, and the everyone else is getting all the attention and the money.
When will we be put first?

Transister · 29/09/2025 13:58

I suppose my comment about my brother is pretty mean but I'm sure it's not all trans people. He is fairly newly trans and in an observing and angry stage. He really should be encouraging men to make him feel more comfortable not talking to teenagers about sanitary protection. (That was a twist I never saw when attending a family funeral)