NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #54

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to: [email protected].

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025
Thread 52: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403218-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-52 2 September 2025 to 4 September 2025
Thread 53: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53 from 3 September

Was Sandie not also going after her union or is this also the RCN?

Yep her union is the RCN

OhBuggerandArse · Yesterday 12:40

^Here's the Herald article: https://archive.is/WqLne^

What the Hell are they playing at? As pointed out, it must be a GDPR breach, as well as possibly medical confidentiality; why does the Scot Gov need such personal information?

Hope Sandie is going to the Information Commissioner's Office over this.

I'm sure her legal team will be all over this.

Just catching up on this gem from NHS Fife; the nurse should have had the “skills and knowledge to de-escalate or remove herself from this situation”.

The Doctor should have had the skills and knowledge to have selected the correct changing room for his use.

Some years back, a male acquaintance working in a school in a certain area was punched in the stomach by a 15 yr old boy. (The boy was bigger than him.)

The friend blocked the second punch. That's all. Nothing else.

The parents phoned the police and wanted the teacher charged. The police said that there was no case to answer, so the parents complained to the LEA. My acquaintance was suspended for several months before being reinstated.

At the hearing, he was told that he should not have blocked the punch. Apparently, he "should have run away".

There's a very peculiar mindset in Fife.

@WearyAuldWumman Your poor colleague? Who'd be a teacher, eh? Your friend had a perfect response, didn't hit back, didn't run away (FFS what would that achieve, other than having all the wee toerags chasing him round the playground whenever they wanted some fun?)

The information commissioner has already been pissed off with the antics of NHSF over FOI requests regarding funding & the mess over releasing confidential documents to the wrong people. I’m sure this latest issue won’t be a problem for him to consider.

Yup.

Following that, he got so much hassle from the miscreant's pals - looking to provoke a reaction - that he gave up teaching for good.

The local police got the miscreant for TWOC as soon as he turned 16. I'd love to know what his parents made of that.

@WearyAuldWumman I don't know TWOC, so I googled. First few results - "Trial Without Catheter"! Guess that would have served him right.

Taking WithOut Consent - nicking a car.

Yes I found that way, way down the list of results!

I thought it was Taking Without the Owner's Consent?

Either way, the offence (which used to be called "joyriding") is colloquially called "twocking".

Yes, the definition of theft is taking something with the intention to permanently deprive the owner of it. The joyriders said they didn't intend to permanently deprive the owner of the car so we're not guilty of theft. This led the creation of two offences, TWOCing - Taking Without Owners Consent and TDA - Taking and Driving Away.

What have I just read...there are no words!

What sort of cahoots exist between NHS Fife and SG, is anybody going to investigate this? Sandie and her life and privacy seem collateral damage to them, it's appalling.

I've been French for the past 39 years (aka my whole life) and I've yet to see a man's naked a*se in a public toilet. Thankfully. The vast majority of them are single-sex, by the way.

It might well be.

Yes I’m sure you’re right - oops my bad ☺️

Don't mis-crime miscreants. It makes them sad 😔 😊

I signed up for the Heralds subscription , the investigative journalism is worth it.

“They also said Ms Peggie should have had the “skills and knowledge to de-escalate or remove herself from this situation”.
“Thus, the panel will arrange for [Ms Peggie] to undertake a facilitated reflective practice discussion to consider her decision making in relation to this incident. This will be supported by a professional nurse adviser and should be recorded for submission as part of her next NMC revalidation.”
Revalidation is a mandatory three-year process required by the NMC to maintain a nurse’s licence to practise. Linking the incident with Dr Upton to her revalidation documentation could potentially influence how future employers or regulators view her conduct.”

Sorry if this has been discussed, I’m behind on the thread.
I’m pretty sure the panel cannot insist Sandie includes any reflection they might demand of her in her revalidation process.
You have to do five reflective accounts and choose what it is you want to reflect on.
You also can choose who you have the reflective discussion with.
She could potentially find it difficult to choose who she uses as her “Confirmer”. This does not have to be the same person you had your reflective discussion with but typically it’s done with one’s manager. Whilst you can have someone else do it, even another medical professional who isn’t on the NMC register, given the toxic state of NHS Fife if she doesn’t want to use whoever her manager is at present she might have difficulty finding someone else to do it though I suppose she might be able to find a willing person who is suitably qualified and doesn’t work for NHS Fife.

As far as I’m aware the information submitted for revalidation is between the registrant and the NMC (apart from the confirmer and reflective discussion person) so there’s no way that should influence future employers or indeed the regulators.

“Thus, the panel will arrange for [Ms Peggie] to undertake a facilitated reflective practice discussion to consider her decision making in relation to this incident. This will be supported by a professional nurse adviser and should be recorded for submission as part of her next NMC revalidation.”

WTF? Was this from one of the news articles? Is NHS Fife still not done with hounding her, because this just sounds vindictive.

Yes, from the Herald article linked above.