Another breastfeeding one

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Couldn’t see a thread on this.
In the latest of Breastfeeding batshittery..‘Breastfeeding and Lactation Support UK’ have today posted this.

I am so angered by it. The UK breastfeeding rates are amongst some of the lowest globally. We should be empowering women, not erasing them. Encouraging them to leave if they disagree?? They should be ashamed.

🤣🤣 can't hack the responses.

You just said ‘other bf mums’.

That wouldn’t be allowed in the group and you’d be asked to leave. Which is my point.

That’s a very narrow minded view. There’s a reason breastfeeding supporters undergo constant training… you don’t know everything just because you’ve breastfed for several years.

This group and its constantly changing and expanding team of volunteers have helped thousands of people, online and in the community. The group is run as a safe space but heavily moderated to provide accurate and safe support.

There’s no “make sure you drink this lactation tea”, “eat oats”, “don’t feed for 5 hours so they drink loads” which you get in other unmoderated groups. This group protects and supports mothers, women, parents and people, however they identify. There is a time and place for warm community feeling with lots of chatting about life, but a safe and inclusive space for protecting people’s feeding preferences isn’t it.

No. Not at all.
People who don’t want to be in a group where others talk about women breastfeeding can be in a group that talks about people or men chest feeding- whatever language they prefer.

I want to be in a group where the focus is on breastfeeding and supporting women and babies who are breastfeeding, not a group where the focus is on policing language.

Well you don't have to continue the cycle, it's not too late to reasses your own priorities.

They don't get booted for starting a post with Hey mamas their post would be declined and asked for gender neutral language to be used. For mastitis though they should go to the admin inbox not the group.

Wrong again. She quite clearly knew those other mums identified as that.

I'm not required to be professional on Mumsnet babe!

No she'd be asked to edit her post for gender neutral terms.

So go and join another group.

although good luck, most people trained in breastfeeding support know how important it is to be inclusive.

This is not the gotcha you seem to think it is given that I knew all the mums in my bf group and none identified as anything other than women. Therefore what I said was the appropriate term for that particular group.

You seem to be deliberately missing the point that there's an expectation that you adjust language to convey respect depending on the demographic of the group you're in at the time.

I've never met a breastfeeding mother in need of genuine support who was even thinking about her identity - she's trying to successfully feed her baby! This is laughable.

Those ‘people’ don’t have the issue. You do.

Minority groups literally don’t care whether you or I call ourselves mother, they just don’t want to be called it themselves. Can you honestly not see that?

The focus is breastfeeding and lactation support, hence the name. Support for ALL.
It was a reminder that the group uses inclusive language, nothing more, nothing less.

Perhaps then, you need to support more people, because trans men and non-binary people exist, whether you like it or not. Which is apparent, you don’t.

I'm quite happy with my priorities and have no intention of continuing any cycles thanks, (what an unpleasant thing to say btw) I won't be responding to you any further.

But saying ‘Breast feeding and lactation’ excludes them. You’re using exclusionary language.

The 57,000+ members we have also don't care about how others identify and are okay with the group being inclusive. They're only bothered about their own journey and support.

Probably because Brest feeding is not a word yes.

Gosh you are a bunch of charmers.
It’s great that you have such a huge amount of experience and expertise. Well done.
It’s great that you want to support people with additional needs around their breastfeeding experiences.
And the struggles of transmen who may have not known the impact their transition could have on their future needs is a real concern of mine, so I’m glad someone is looking into it. My friend is adamant she doesn’t want DC, but I felt the same way at that age. I’d hate her to struggle in the future.

But. Can you not see how massively unfriendly and off putting your attitude is? By all means support everyone. Laudable! But being oppressive around language isn’t inclusive at all! Use all the words, not just some of them!

typo

Demographic of the group!!
It’s a breastfeeding group.

Do you think you’d find this sort of moderator post in a prostate cancer group? Of course you wouldn’t. Just ridiculous.

I am a mother of two kids the only two people who call me mum or mama I don't want other grown adults referring to me as mama I'm not their mum and it's weird AF!! I successfully breastfed my children due to support which is why I started the group 8.5 years ago. My 57000+ members don't care about being inclusive.
My group doesn't affect you so why are you crying about it on Mumsnet? Weird use of your time.

Why do you hate trans and non-binary people so much?

They are just women using made up labels. I have no problem with their existance and wholeheartedly wish them well. Motherhood is very sanctifying, grounding and an excellent remedy to unhealthy levels of introspection and obsession with the self.