Another breastfeeding one

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Couldn’t see a thread on this.
In the latest of Breastfeeding batshittery..‘Breastfeeding and Lactation Support UK’ have today posted this.

I am so angered by it. The UK breastfeeding rates are amongst some of the lowest globally. We should be empowering women, not erasing them. Encouraging them to leave if they disagree?? They should be ashamed.

Are you taking the piss hahaha? I've ran the group for 8 years pal. I've been trained for 7.5 of them. I've helped 100,000's of parents with feeding so yes I do those things daily! Constantly 🖕🏼

Do you class non binary people or trans men (both referring to biological females) as fantasists, perverse, deviants, voyeurs or are you reacting to this post based on your personal feelings around trans women? Do you not think that non binary people born female or trans men (born female) should be supported to breastfeed in a way that's accessible for them?

More fool you..the entire team is trained in Lactation support we give out the most factual, evidence based support you'll find. We vet every single member to ensure they are a lactation person of health care professionals who works with those who will need lactation support.

It’s more concerning that this is the conclusion you’ve come to over a group asking members to be inclusive.

There is no “expense of mothers and babies”.
The group runs a very tight ship, members are verified and no biological men, or unverifiable profiles are accepted.

Perhaps you should join and find that out before you throw wild accusations out.

This can’t be real

I'm the group creator, my uni tutors are in my group. In fact I've just won a scholarship of excellence for the group and my amazing contributions to breastfeeding support. I've also been highly praised whilst on placement for my incredible knowledge and support with new parents.

I think this is where the guise of people being concerned about bf rates as opposed to actually being afraid of transwomen or non binary (biological men) really falls away on these posts when there are people prepared to scaremonger, spin the rumour mill and potentially derail a group that's probably been a source of support for many women.

In reality how many women who have transitioned to men, and have actually had a baby, exist?
Surely they could ask for sensitive personal help from a health professional, rather than a group?

We are professionals they've came to the right place for feeding support.

I'm breastfeeding my 5th baby and have breastfed for 11 years in total, there's nothing they can teach me. But I remember some Facebook groups being a real support and a warm community when I had my first child in 2012 - luckily posts like the one screenshot upthread would have been unthinkable back then.

Well you’re pleased with yourself aren’t you?

It wasn’t politely asking people to be inclusive. It was telling them to be, or get out.

As a moderator of ‘8 years’ surely you would understand how this would be alienating to a new mum who has dared to reach out to her fellow ‘mamas’?

Very, yes!

They can reach out without using the word Mamas the other group members aren't their mum's it's weird anyway for adults to refer to other adults based on their parental status. It's icky!

You can call yourself whatever you like but the point is if a trans man or non binary

Do you not think that's very isolating for them though? For me the first place I ventured out to was a bf group and its the only reason why I gained confidence actually feeding in public in front of people. That could be much more difficult for a transman or non binary person so obviously some may not feel able to do that, but for others that could be a massive help along their journey - never mind the amount I learnt just from listening to other bf mums who were at different stages from me. In fact being in that group was the only reason I bf for longer because I'd never seen or known anyone to bf let alone past the 6 month mark. Why should anyone miss out on that just because they don't identify as female?

Ooh, interesting. So when breast tissue is removed and theres no lactation but they may wish to chestfeed and need support, where should they go?

I have reported the poster above as I do not believe they are genuine.

Might be worth mentioning that bits were left out of the screenshot as well saying that you won’t be banned for starting the post with such

but If you can’t be respectful that the group l is inclusive, maybe you should just F off instead

Poor breastfeeding women, delirious with sleep deprivation and worried about latching or mastitis and getting booted out of the group for typing ‘hey mamas’ when they ask for help.

You don't come across as professional at all.

Would depend on how much breast tissue was removed, how many milk ducts they have still, if they are willing to use a supplementing nursing system etc and then we'd discuss seeing an IBCLC which we happen to have in the group too.

I would imagine that these are the exact type of harmful and personally attacking posts that admins are keen to avoid in what's supposed to be a safe group setting.

You have no idea what my mother or upbringing was like so I wouldn't place a bet on where her priorities were if I were you.