Another breastfeeding one

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Couldn’t see a thread on this.
In the latest of Breastfeeding batshittery..‘Breastfeeding and Lactation Support UK’ have today posted this.

I am so angered by it. The UK breastfeeding rates are amongst some of the lowest globally. We should be empowering women, not erasing them. Encouraging them to leave if they disagree?? They should be ashamed.

So you are saying transmen are not men? Wow!! That is awful! You’ll be saying transwomen are banned from your group next as they’re not women! Are you sure you should be supporting vulnerable birthing parents to chestfeed?

Most health professionals out in the community as well as in hospitals and clinics say 'mum'. Do you have any idea how many women they see a day? You sound like you are trying to scrape some sort of career together based on looking for ways to be offended. I think that market is saturated already, you've missed the boat.

No it couldn't. Being inclusive in a field that is inclusive won't threaten any of our careers.

So you’re just allowed to chat shit about people and not expect them to stand up for themselves.

bet you’re someone who preaches freedom of speech too.

You're incorrect but okay, I work with health care professionals seeing new parents on a daily basis we don't reduce them to their parental status we respect them and use their names.

But you’re not bringing very inclusive are you? You’ve stated transmen are not men, and you exclude transwomen. You’ll be saying only females lactate next.

No, Nelly. Once again you’ve jumped to your very wrong and strange conclusion. You’re being deliberately obtuse for no reason. Jumping on the “exclusion of women” bandwagon to push your own transphobia.

So people with disabilities are treated on an individual basis, they don’t get to control the language of the group then?
You don’t request people avoid using ‘look/listen’ about how the baby is positioned or how well feeding is going?

So you only control language for some people. Others can manage with language that doesn’t apply to them?

I haven't said that. Not once 🤣 we don't exclude anyone who lactates.

No group members control language used in the group the admin team do. And members wouldn't be asking any of those questions or giving that feedback to other members were admin led.

Errr how am I transphobic? I’m pointing out your trabsphobia. You’ve denied transmen thrir identity, excluded transwomen and your group name should be Chestfeeding and lactation. A lot of folx find “breastfeeding” to be problematic. I thought you were supposed to be an inclusive group?

I think any time I ever saw a HCP with my ds I was referred to by my name unless they were referring to me when talking to my ds. And I appreciated that, I think when we reduce women to 'just' mummy that has wider reaching ramifications that I would have expected to be acknowledged on a feminist board, not least right to bodily autonomy, impact on women as primary caregiver and career etc. Obviously in a high stress scenario who gives a shit, but no I wouldn't expect to not be referred to by my name, especially given that post partum you are also the patient yourself as you're recovering etc.

I actually find this very sinister. There are some very nefarious individuals out there creating these cult-like groups to manipulate and police women who are seeking support in some of the most vulnerable and sometimes even desperate moments of their lives. I find it deeply upsetting and unsettling.

They wouldn’t be in the group unless they’d just done the most womanly thing possible - given birth.

Yet they’ll sit there and feel offended at any reference to it?
Claiming either that they’re actually men or denying that they in fact have any sex at all?
Why pander to this utter baloney?

Trans men are very aware of their biology. Me referring to someone as their preferred pronouns, whether that matches their biological sex or not, does nothing but validate their existence. It’s ok if you wish to continue to be closed minded and exclusionary.

I support mothers, parents, dads, trans men, non binary people, anyone who needs/wants it. And their pronouns are respected by me. You’re arguing for the sake of arguing here.

If it’s really her then feel free to stand up for herself.

I am saying if it is her, I am astounded. It’s hugely unprofessional. I disagree with a midwife alienating women in such an aggressive manner. If that’s what you mean by ‘chat shit’.

Happy to have a sensible discussion about it.

Exactly this!!! Reducing someone to their parental status is rude and dismissive. Yes if I'm talking to a baby is say 'oh here's mummy' but what talking to the actual parent id use their name to address them.

I do agree with this.

But this is not what the OP was about

Yes it’s her, and you’re still doubting that, why?

she’s been patient and explained things plenty of times here yet you’re all still digging at her when she says something you don’t like.

why are you still here arguing? I don’t understand what else there is for her to say. Why aren’t you getting it?

It's not unprofessional to use inclusive language in fact the opposite.
I'm also not alienating women there's plenty of women in the group. If someone was being a transphobe in a professional place they'd also be asked to leave. Staff don't take abuse.

Wow!and the transphobia continues. You are the ones excluding lots of folx. Trying to cover up your transphobia by “I help everyone”. Sure Jan. you carry on with your bigotry. Or educate yourself and do better.

How are you not getting the fact we allow ANYONE who lactates? Regardless of their gender identity.

You’re assuming they don’t like being called mums. You make it sound like an insult - ‘reducing’. Well, no. For some of us it’s more important than our own identity- it’s like being called ‘Queen’ rather than a name. You’re very disrespectful to women who have just become mums and want to embrace and enjoy it.

I do hope all your members see that update so they can then show you with their actions how they feel about your attempts to be inclusive. May be send them it in an email?

I see that you have an inflated perception of the breadth of your experience. But I think its a nice ideal to have with regards to calling women by their names. It just amused me that you were so certain that was standard practise across the country. I guess there are still many health professionals in dire need of you to enlighten them :)