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BotswanaBay · 14/09/2025 04:43

There's no evidence of this, the NY Post is a rag. Being pictured in a onesie does not make someone transgender.
I'm saying that as someone who is quite strongly GC.

ProfoundlyPeculiarAndWeird · 14/09/2025 06:43

More horrible speculation. Ignore the rumour mill. There will be a trial; reliable info will come out in time.

Freysimo · 14/09/2025 07:22

It's being extensively reported, so not just speculation.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/09/2025 07:37

BotswanaBay · 14/09/2025 04:43

There's no evidence of this, the NY Post is a rag. Being pictured in a onesie does not make someone transgender.
I'm saying that as someone who is quite strongly GC.

This.

Firstly we don’t know he was trans. Secondly we don’t know they were in a relationship rather than just housemates.

We’ll know soon enough.

LittleAlexHornesPocket · 14/09/2025 07:40

He also had white republican parents. So I'm sure you're going to demonise white republican people as well as trans people right? Because they associated with him and therefore must also be responsible, right? Maybe he had a black friend as well so the racists can blame black people.

Seriously, listen to yourself. You have zero idea what his motivations are at this point or who he was influenced by. Your hatred of trans people is giving you the blinkers.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/09/2025 07:51

I think it is fair to blame his white republican parents for his familiarity with guns though.

Anactor · 14/09/2025 08:01

For roommate read flatmate.

This is just speculation being reported as fact.

Oh, and the guns thing. His family were hunters, which is sadly why he was such an expert shot. It wasn’t being ‘white Republicans’ - it was that they innocently taught their child exactly how to shoot a live target at a distance.

SirHumphreyRocks · 14/09/2025 08:11

So what if he had a flatmate, a transgender partner or a pet rabbit? It doesn't make any of them involved, a "reason" or anything else. He did what he did. The trial will hopefully provide information about how he came to be in that position, none of which will be used to draw lessons that can be used to prevent more gun deaths in the USA.

TwelvePercent · 14/09/2025 08:11

There's nothing on that article except one relative saying it 'wouldn't surprise her' if the roommate was transitioning. Which hints at a very weird attitude from the source.

What I take from this one article, is potentially both men were same sex attracted, they had broken away from oppressive Mormon homes and subsequently spent too much time in the internet.

The gunman is responsible, not the roommate, not a partner, not a discord server nor his parents.

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 14/09/2025 08:13

The Guardian mentions a transgender room mate this morning.

Darker · 14/09/2025 08:15

I don’t see the point of this post.

Bagsintheboot · 14/09/2025 08:17

Freysimo · 14/09/2025 07:22

It's being extensively reported, so not just speculation.

Not by any reputable source it isn't.

Even the NY post quotes the family member as saying they were roommates, that the family member declined to comment on any romantic relationship, and that they didn't know if the roommate was trans!

Please, let's not whip up a frenzy of false information. There were already false trans rumours about the bullet casings, surely it is obvious that caution should be exercised.

ByAgileLemonPoet · 14/09/2025 08:21

Nothing innocent about that

Coconutter24 · 14/09/2025 08:29

‘May have’ and ‘sounds like’ are not good enough reasons to start sharing your own theories. Don’t make things up, they could be true the could not be true but why not wait for the facts to come out instead of putting ideas out there when you know no one involved.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 14/09/2025 08:31

it was that they innocently taught their child exactly how to shoot a live target at a distance

no one innocently teaches their child to kill things….not for one second comparing animals to humans but thats not ‘innocent’

Anactor · 14/09/2025 08:52

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 14/09/2025 08:31

it was that they innocently taught their child exactly how to shoot a live target at a distance

no one innocently teaches their child to kill things….not for one second comparing animals to humans but thats not ‘innocent’

I knew someone was going to say that…

Hunting deer in the US is a facet of wildlife management. Most of the apex predators have been made locally extinct, which leaves humans as the only apex predators who can stop the deer overgrazing and then starving.

Therefore hunters are licensed to cull a certain number of deer each year. They are expected to take the deer carcasses home and eat them.

If you’re vegetarian, fine, but even so I would expect you’d see the point of teaching a child that the meat on their table came from killing a living creature.

cattykinns · 14/09/2025 08:58

Anactor · 14/09/2025 08:52

I knew someone was going to say that…

Hunting deer in the US is a facet of wildlife management. Most of the apex predators have been made locally extinct, which leaves humans as the only apex predators who can stop the deer overgrazing and then starving.

Therefore hunters are licensed to cull a certain number of deer each year. They are expected to take the deer carcasses home and eat them.

If you’re vegetarian, fine, but even so I would expect you’d see the point of teaching a child that the meat on their table came from killing a living creature.

Looks like the comment your replying to has gone right over your head.

CameForAVacationStayedForTheRevolution · 14/09/2025 09:01

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/09/2025 07:51

I think it is fair to blame his white republican parents for his familiarity with guns though.

Or just the whole of American society 🤷🏻‍♀️

let’s face it there’s a lot of gun owners, hunters, etc who don’t murder people. I do think there should be gun control but I don’t think you can blame the parents when it’s so mainstream.

maximc · 14/09/2025 09:26

I'm gender critical & I think it's totally irrelevant that an alleged criminal has a friend or partner who may identify as trans, unless it's proven they were involved. The alleged killer & the friend may have agreed Kirk had hateful views re LGBT+ people, which is a lawful opinion, but that doesn't mean the friend knew about or would encourage a plan to harm Kirk.

RedToothBrush · 14/09/2025 09:39

As I said on previous thread

This shooting would therefore fit with patterns of radicalisation akin to religion, it would fit with a right wing gun culture, it would fit with youth disaffection with mainstream politics, it would fit with difficult online communities which are out of sight from authorities, it would fit with the lone, quiet gunman AND it would fit with uncontrolled and unchallenged purity spirals within left wing politics.

But I doubt you'll see many people reflect on all these patterns, instead they'll focus on whichever element best fits their agenda.

I think we have a perfect storm scenario that's only growing. I suspect we will see others from other areas as youth disaffection grows and anger at the establishment rises. Historical data shows revolutions and civil unrest is much more common with high youth unemployment / underemployment and declining standards of living regardless of political affiliation. It's important we look at this from all angles.

I'd also add alienation from your traditional community to the list and being part of a death cult feeling like it was under threat tbh.

My point being there will be no one reason, but a build up of multiple ones which are as difficult for the right to reconcile with themselves as it will be for the left meaning the likely result will be to lash out at the other rather to reflect on the elements from their own sphere of influence.

What is clear to me in this case is however you cut it, and I think this is true of every shooter, is they they are a product of BOTH their upbringing and the influences they come across later.

It is crucial to understanding this that being from a Mormon conservative background which was right wing and heavily invested in guns was as crucial as a left wing radicalisation and potentially gay/trans partner and BOTH are highly likely to have contributed to the killers mindset and this is an unavoidable reality that pretty much no one wants to acknowledge. The possibility of a trans element is only one strand of a bigger picture and it is not this alone which is the problem if it is proven.

As it stands, there a lot of speculation on twitter going through Lance's online presence from user names, forums and associates which do suggest he was furry/trans but I am still taking with a degree of a pinch of salt at this stage. There's nothing I find wholly trustworthy at this point. And this doesn't mean he's involved.

And we can't forget the question that was asked immediately before Kirk was shot. That question isn't going away.

What I would say is there is something of a problem for trans people in Utah right now because on top of the above and the speculation around it there seems to be one account linked to Lance saying 'we did it' in reference to Kirk, another Utah trans account saying the day before that they hoped Kirk would be evaporated and that something big would happen the next day and a third trans account from someone in Utah linked to a song put online a month ago called 'Charlie Kirk dead at 31'. Given the sheer amount of threats and wishing for the death of political opponents maybe we shouldn't read much into this, because it's been so widely accepted within communities as to become noise rather than something more sinister. This is why putting a load of threats online isn't a great move because you can't predict the future and you might end up caught in a situation with your metaphorical dick hanging out in public.

These apparent threats are naturally raising some eyebrows after the fact about a wider potential conspiracy rather a lone gunman idea. I think this perception is actually going to be really hard to shift even if it's a load of nonsense and pure coincidence. Because even if it is noise it's still normalised and in the background.

I don't think for one second that the FBI won't be all over this angle, looking through discord and anyone remotely linked to both Lance and Tyler though because if it is right it has somewhat significant implications about how they handle the case.

But they have to be right. If they get it wrong there are some very genuinely vulnerable trans people at significant risk at this point.

It's a mess. There are going to be innocent people caught up in the fallout out from this and it's naive to suggest otherwise.

As much as I think trans is bollocks and there's a lot of very questionable individuals who identify as trans I am, and have always been, concerned about vulnerable individuals especially young kids who have been mislead, groomed and otherwise lied to about being trans and the implications of that. This incident will affect perceptions regardless of the truth and what comes out in time.

It sucks for everyone concerned tbh.

ThatBlackCat · 14/09/2025 09:49

LittleAlexHornesPocket · 14/09/2025 07:40

He also had white republican parents. So I'm sure you're going to demonise white republican people as well as trans people right? Because they associated with him and therefore must also be responsible, right? Maybe he had a black friend as well so the racists can blame black people.

Seriously, listen to yourself. You have zero idea what his motivations are at this point or who he was influenced by. Your hatred of trans people is giving you the blinkers.

No one is demonising 'trans' people. We have a hatred of males taking our rights away and entering our HARD WON single sex spaces, @LittleAlexHornesPocket .

MALES. Whether they are in a suit and tie, or in a dress. It's still MALE.

You really have absolutely no idea whatsoever what we are upset about. You think 'trans' people are a separate species or something, so therefore exempt from societal rules and expectations. They are MALE. Regardless of what they wear.

ThatBlackCat · 14/09/2025 09:54

maximc · 14/09/2025 09:26

I'm gender critical & I think it's totally irrelevant that an alleged criminal has a friend or partner who may identify as trans, unless it's proven they were involved. The alleged killer & the friend may have agreed Kirk had hateful views re LGBT+ people, which is a lawful opinion, but that doesn't mean the friend knew about or would encourage a plan to harm Kirk.

It's about the motive, @maximc . Having a trans partner or roommate and shooting him when he is discussing trans crime would suggest his motive was driven by trans ideology.

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Infuriating bullshit? And then you come up with your own crazy anti-Israel conspiracy theory.

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