The Bluestocking - the one where the nights start to draw in

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Previous thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5401672-the-autumn-bluestocking-mist-mellow-fruitfulness-and-hot-chocolate

Settles down in the comfy chair by the fire.

The only correct answer is 15s. Which are so easy to make that even my culinary skills can do them.

Though I am partial to a wee caramel square.

It gets funkier when we leave traybakes behind and talk about how, if you know the right place to go, you can get chips with melted cheese and thousand island.

I'm English and off for a lie down! My head hurts.

I’d have thought ‘run you over’ in that context would be comprehensible anywhere in the U.K.

I absolutely loved that traybake thread, @SionnachRuadh - I’m sure I put on weight just reading it.

Many years ago I worked for Ladybird Books and they had a pack of cards for parents to use with children learning to read. The cards pictures on, and the idea was that they were in rhyming pairs that weren't necessarily spelled the same way. Nearly all of them were fine but you wouldn't believe the number of calls I got from Scottish parents and teachers pointing out that in their accent the words "door" and "claw" definitely did not rhyme. Of course in RP English, no problem, and Ladybird is based in London.

Or (as with the lift), some sort of American. I used to quite regularly visit our office in Waltham MA…the more carefully I said the place name, the more uncomprehending the taxi driver - until I engaged my brain and drawled sufficiently.

I grew up in England but at this stage have no idea whether they pronounce the thing you walk through as 'daw' or the thing that darling cats stick in as they trample over me as 'cloor'.

What was said to me was that claw in a Scots accent is like clah, and door is a longer o sound and more of the r sounded at the end than in RP.

I grew up in east Lancashire in the 50s and 60s and door definitely didn't rhyme with claw. I never had a pronounced Lancashire accent, but even after half a century away from the county, door will still never rhyme with claw.

any of us who’ve been on MN for a while would believe it. I think there needs to be a ‘read and understand’ training when people join; one of the pieces of required learning would be on rhotic and non rhotic accents. Another would be dialect/spelling variations which are perfectly acceptable in various parts of the Anglosphere (even including US English!) and that mocking them in Pedants’ Corner merely betrays ignorance.

I did not know about this.

I make 15s. And Carmel squares. And Mars bar bites. And top hats. And malteaser fresh bake. And pineapple delights.sometimes The wee cornflake and syrup ones with pastry and jam

and then I wonder why I’m fat.

‘They’ pronounce them in many and various ways, so it’s no wonder you’re confused.

I’ll have a super chip.

I'm now wondering whether the traybakes versus cakes and buns dividing line maps closely onto whins versus furze.

Or of course the classic scones versus scones.

Traybakes aren’t a cake or a bun. They’re generally not baked.

they’re a traybake!! You heathen!!!

I get this, because long interaction with a Welsh friend leads me to value different ways of talking - I'm sure I've said "I'll be there now in a minute" off my own bat...

Actually I suspect some of this is ancestral memory, for I can listen to someone speaking Welsh or Cornish and not understand a word, but the rhythm of the sentence seems familiar. I've long believed that a knack for languages is like having an ear for music.

I've had this argument civil exchange of views many times over the years with otherwise well-liked and respected northerners who insisted on describing all sorts of bunnish and cakish things as traybakes.

We probably need an all-Ireland forum. I'd be prepared to volunteer as a researcher (except for the wheat allergy which is a bummer).

I don’t understand why there would need to be any dividing line between traybakes and cakes - we’re on holiday at the moment so are exposed to many tearooms (national trust and otherwise) where these (and of course scones) coexist in perfect harmony.

My husband believes that I make good sconns. I disagree, because the recipe is clearly for scohns. I don't know how to make sconns.

🤣🤣🤣

'Toys'r'us' never worked well in Ireland, where we pronounce the r as 'or' not 'are'.
So it sounded like a choice - Toys? or us?
The chain went bust. Serves them right😁

I heard a lovely example of words taking on a life of their own:
the inner-city Dublin accent has 'yiz' for you-plural. It's 'youse' in other parts of Dublin, and 'ye' in rural Ireland.

The other day I heard someone saying 'Mind yizzer feet', (mind your feet) inventing a possessive out of 'yiz'.

In the rural accent, they'd say 'Yeer' from 'ye'

It has its own internal logic

Thank goodness tearooms don’t rely on voice recognition software.
The pronunciation of ‘scone’ is obviously regional, but it’s sconn for me.

I once had a line manager who said you's, with a grocer's apostrophe, in emails.

In parts of the north, 'youse' will even become 'yousens'.

We have an expansive view of pronouns!

Yousuns, usuns and themuns

Ive not read all of this thread but if traybakes and scones aren’t enough, I very much enjoyed the passion of the OP

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5416286-to-be-angry-at-this-arrogant-pudding-prat?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share