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Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved with Transgender, Antifascist Ideology

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defrazzled · 11/09/2025 16:06

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/ammunition-in-kirk-shooting-engraved-with-transgender-antifascist-ideology-sources-pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b

A young father shot dead, this is horrifying.

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Kuretake · 12/09/2025 08:35

This seems to be now known to be false - absolutely outrageous of WSJ to have spread this before confirming.

CurlewKate · 12/09/2025 08:37

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 12/09/2025 08:14

As previously stated, no one knows the motive, belief system or ideology behind this murder as yet and so conjecture fuels unpleasant agendas all round.

Absolutely agree. I wish Trump, Johnson and others did too.

BloominNora · 12/09/2025 09:12

We need to wait before we can be sure either way but it seems to me absolutely clear that the hard left / transtifa / antifa in the UK and US include lots of violent extremists, some of whom claim to be trans, AND that they are the obvious suspects when it comes to violence against right wing politicians.

@jamiecannister - I don't understand what your point is here? There are violent extremists on both the extreme right and extreme left wing - and let's face it, political opinion is basically a circle with not that much of a gap between the extremes on both sides.

Of course those on the left are obvious suspects when it comes to violence against politicians on the right and vice versa - although the data is clear that right wing extremists are responsible for a lot more acts of violence and terrorism than left-wingers.

www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

This data shows that if you exclude 9/11 there have been 477 politically motivated deaths with the right responsible for over 80% of them and the left responsible for 14%

And before anyone shouts bias, the Cato institute is libertarian, so generally right leaning.

In the UK, the majority of politically killings in the 20th century and beyond were driven by the Northern Ireland Troubles and were commited by the IRA on the left and the Loyalists on the right.

There has been no other left wing politically motivated killings or attempted killings in the UK as far as I can recall - they have all either been Isalmist (05/07, Lee Rigby and David Amess) or right wing (Jo Cox).

There have been three potentially political acts of murder or attempted murder in the US in the last couple of years which have been 'linked' to the left. I say potentially because none have been confirmed as being politically motivated.

Trump assassination attempt - deemed left wing because the perpetrator once do ated $15 to the Democrats, even though he was a registered republican and had a social media account which tended to lean towards right wing views.

The Minnesota church shooting - deemed left wing because the perpetrator identified as trans and his journal had one entry with a rainbow flag and a mention of equality but beyond that, nothing known about his motivation other than he was obsessed with other mass shootings.

Charlie Kirk - perpetrator assumed to be from the left but we don't yet know and Kirk was disliked by a lot of people on the extreme right due to his willingness to debate the issues and not just impose his views.

Happy to consider the view that there are a lot of violent extremists on the left if it can be backed up with data - but I can't find.anything which suggests that this is the case or that the left are more violent than the right!

Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved with Transgender, Antifascist Ideology
AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 12/09/2025 11:42

Britinme · 11/09/2025 21:36

This to me has all the hallmarks of a false flag operation.

Whether it makes me 'depressingly predictable', I agree. The idea came to me first as kind of an 'intrusive thought' just after I heard.

What's happened since?

  1. The news about Epstein's birthday book has taken a huge back seat.
  2. The left has come under attack.
  3. The papers are reporting that it's becoming increasingly difficult to stand as a political candidate... in a democracy.
  4. No one has found the shooter, despite there being people filming all over the place it happened. This person also managed to shoot a guy in the neck with one bullet from 130m away - pretty accurate.

Look at how Trump has been buddying up with the most powerful dictators and business magnates in the world. Going nuts at people who stand up to him. His whole tenure feels like he's been out to destabilise the idea of democracy in the US. I hope the man is better than my brain is telling me as, frankly, how sick would you be to machinate a plan like that, just to move closer to absolute rule? I almost believe him capable of it though, in some kind of 'for the greater good' delusion. Like Voldemort and Snape (that's the analogy I reach for?! 🤔).

Toseland · 12/09/2025 11:53

Britinme · 11/09/2025 22:00

Would you really engrave antifascist and anti-trans stuff on a bullet, which would surely make a difference to its trajectory, on a shot that needed to be taken very precisely at a distance?

The bullet and it's casing are two separate parts. If the writing is on the casing it won't effect the projectile.

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 14:32

None of the bullet stuff is true. The Wall Street Journal got ahead of itself and published an Internet rumour, which they’ve since had to retract.

We still don’t know the killer’s motivations, though it would be nice to think that now they have him in custody we might find out in due course.

TheCatsTongue · 12/09/2025 14:52

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 14:32

None of the bullet stuff is true. The Wall Street Journal got ahead of itself and published an Internet rumour, which they’ve since had to retract.

We still don’t know the killer’s motivations, though it would be nice to think that now they have him in custody we might find out in due course.

The claim has not been fully retracted, but the Journal has since updated its coverage. The paper now notes that “the bulletin may not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition” and that “some officials later Thursday cautioned against reaching conclusions based on the internal report.”

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 14:57

That’s retreating from the initial reporting. The title of this thread should be updated.

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 15:03

CrocsNotDocs · 11/09/2025 21:53

Let me guess. It was Mossad. Jesus Christ.

Charlie Kirk received endless threats of violence from the far left and Antifa but it can’t be that obvious, can it?

Kirk had been speaking out against Epstein's links w Mossad, to his credit. I did think Mossad was a possibility but this candidate seems credible

TheCatsTongue · 12/09/2025 15:03

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 14:57

That’s retreating from the initial reporting. The title of this thread should be updated.

You need to edit your post "none of it is true", because that is also misleading, because it hasn't been fully retracted.

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 15:04

I understand you’re embarrassed and defensive about spreading misinformation.

TheCatsTongue · 12/09/2025 15:05

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 15:04

I understand you’re embarrassed and defensive about spreading misinformation.

What misinformation have I spread? Whereas you are boldly claiming "none of it is true", no one has said that.

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 15:06

Neemie · 12/09/2025 06:53

I think people who do this kind of thing are just violent extremists who pick a cause as an excuse to commit violent acts. At the moment that tends to be more right wing extremists in USA and Western Europe. It was Left wing extremists when I was child living in South America. It was religious extremists when I was in my early twenties. They are all equally vile when they kill people.

Exactly. It's like Eric Hoffer wrote in The True Believer : they want an outlet for antisocial tendencies, which cause they choose is not very important.

There seems to be crossover in several cases : Josh Shapiro's attempted arson murderer was a anti-Semitic and anti-Israel fanatic but also a Trump voters.

Trans shooters seem to often be allied to the far right.

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Bagsintheboot · 12/09/2025 15:16

So we have confirmation from the press conference that the messages read:

"Hey fascist, catch!"
"If you read this you are gay LMAO"
"Notices bulges OwO what's this?"
"Bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao"

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 15:20

Yep. Sounds like the rantings of an online edge lord. Can’t quite believe how many people were convinced he was a trans identified male based on the “reports” that the bullets were covered with trans ideology.

I’m glad we have an official statement so the rumour mill can wind back down now.

TheCatsTongue · 12/09/2025 15:23

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 15:20

Yep. Sounds like the rantings of an online edge lord. Can’t quite believe how many people were convinced he was a trans identified male based on the “reports” that the bullets were covered with trans ideology.

I’m glad we have an official statement so the rumour mill can wind back down now.

Can't believe how many people were saying "none of the bullet stuff is true".

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 15:24

@TheCatsTongueWind your neck in.

Timeforabitofpeace · 12/09/2025 15:29

No his stuff was engraved with “hey, fascist. Catch”. The BBC just said so. Not everything is about trans.

Timeforabitofpeace · 12/09/2025 15:29

No his stuff was engraved with “hey, fascist. Catch”. The NBC said so. Not everything is about trans.

Timeforabitofpeace · 12/09/2025 15:29

No his stuff was engraved with “hey, fascist. Catch”. The NBC said so. Not everything is about trans.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2025 16:14

Bagsintheboot · 12/09/2025 15:16

So we have confirmation from the press conference that the messages read:

"Hey fascist, catch!"
"If you read this you are gay LMAO"
"Notices bulges OwO what's this?"
"Bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao"

Just heard that. Sounds awful

GoldThumb · 12/09/2025 16:27

RayonSunrise · 12/09/2025 15:04

I understand you’re embarrassed and defensive about spreading misinformation.

Why would anyone be embarrassed about sharing a news report from a reputable source?

WeirdyBeardyMarrowBabyLady · 12/09/2025 17:02

I will fully concede that I was wrong to assume there was no truth in the engraved bullets story. Not something that should be leaked to press of course but clearly it was true.

Also clear that a very much planned and pre-meditated incident.

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 17:08

TheCatsTongue · 12/09/2025 15:23

Can't believe how many people were saying "none of the bullet stuff is true".

So was the bullet writing trans?

Why were the WSJ so shoddy? I thought we could trust them!