Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

The shooter is still at large and confirmed details are limited.

Just Google examples. They are all over the internet especially today. His Turning point organisation and The Charlie Kirk show is full of his hatred for Islam, LGBTQ and anyone who isn’t a white supremacist. His anti abortion rants are vile. It cannot be a surprise that a far right outspoken Trump supporter like Kirk is a racist, bigot and transphobic?

i think various people on all sides will be using this to advance their own agendas.

Can you give me some examples, please? Just saying he is hateful and says hateful things is not evidence of actual hatred.

Women here are always being told they are "hateful transphobes" because they know Sex is real and that males are not female. Is this the kind of 'hate speech' you refer to?

Agree @MoltenLasagne . The right to bear arms is the right to keep government in check if it starts to become totalitarian. Government is less likely to become totalitarian if it knows there are citizens out there who will fight to the death to preserve and protect the Constitution.

I liked Charlie Kirk because he not only knew how important it was to engage with young people face to face, he was prepared to put his life on the line to actually do it. He knew the risks, he did it anyway. RIP Charlie .

Scarily so yes.

And none of it to calm the situation or do much to open up communication.

I'm sure if the shooter is caught alive, this will be his defence.

Fortunately the law is did you shoot him? Yes or No. Not the "prove he was a bigot to justify his murder" defence.

I'm very saddened by this. I loved to watch him respectfully and intellectually debate trans issues. I don't agree one bit on his abortion views but that made no different to my respect for him, we all have different opinions on everything.

There is almost no verified information about the shooter at time of writing.

The FBI have said he appears to be college aged and released a couple of stills from CCTV in the last few minutes.

At this point, anything else re motive is speculation.

Agreed.

No @Cornishclio You give the examples please. Show me the words he actually said and not comments which have been 'interpreted' by others. I have watched countless videos of him engaging with students from around the world. I have yet to hear anything "bigoted".

It reminds me of the old trope "JKR is a nazi, bigot, transphobe". Yet, they cannot produce a single piece of evidence of what she has said or written that is bigoted. All we get it what other people wrongly interpret what she meant .

Fbi

This.

Again and again and again.

And his last words, ironically, were
about gun violence.

There is a paradox here. We can acknowledge that his assassination is abhorrent and he did not deserve to be killed for his views, whilst simultaneously recognising the undeniable irony that he died by the very sword he forcefully advocated for. A bit like how when Trump supporters who cheered on ICE, found themselves the target of deportations - only this time the consequences were far more extreme.

We can also point out that the whole “good guy with a gun” idea didn’t stop a bad guy with a gun from killing him, and that the right to bear arms takes more lives than it saves.

These observations can all be made while still condemning the assassination and extending empathy to his family — even if he refused to extend such empathy to others.

Just saw the images. So far all we can say is the suspect looks pale, male and is wearing a top with what seems to be an American flag on it.

Well it shouldn’t be a defence. Shooting people is wrong. I have not said the shooter was justified because I don’t agree with Kirk’s views. He should feel the force of the law and free speech means Kirk can voice them. We can’t all go around shooting people we don’t agree with however vile they are.

I literally had never heard of him until he got shot. I never knew him and did not bear him any ill will. I feel sorry for his children. No one deserves this. But it would appear that he was indifferent to the death of others relative to the "God-given" right to bear arms. It is not ok that he was murdered. I don't especially care any more about him than anyone else who has been the victim of gun crime in America. I feel certain that the vast majority of them did not deserve it either.

The second post after the FBI one was a call to hang him outside the White House.

I strongly suspect, particularly now they have released a picture, they won't capture him alive.

For all we know, he might have argued that his death was a price worth paying.

That isn’t what I think, but it is the logical conclusion of his arguments.

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It doesn't matter whether you agreed with him or not, no one should be murdered for their opinions. Ever. It's horrific

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No you give some examples. I saw claims today that he was calling for gay people to be murdered. This was made up but was being taken as gospel on bluesky. Questioning wahibist Islam does not mean hatred of Muslims. The guy seemed to be going around colleges debating students. What's wrong with that? It seems laudable. You don't have to agree with him.

Why are we not outraged at the 3 innocent students dead at a Colorado school shooting yesterday but we seem to be outraged at the death of a man promoting gun violence and labelling said kids as "necessary collateral damage"?

Not one thread on the Colorado school shooting yesterday.

These people will pay also. Breathing murder is already one.