Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

Guns make it much easier to kill, I am anti-gun, but if someone is influenced by so much hate they will find ways to kill someone.

Salman Rushie was stabbed, so the debate around gun control was irrelevant but the debate around a general fostering of hatred towards individuals remains.

Fully agree with you, and also with this statement by Glinner on X:

’You don't have to say "I disagreed with him on some things". No-one agrees with everyone on everything. It's a pointless statement that just distances you from your own humanity.’

Agree. Rushdie is a good example.

Without wanting to sound like a paid-up member of the Tin Foil Hat Brigade, this case did make me wonder whether governments ALWAYS imprison for life/execute murderers with niche skill sets. Or whether post-conviction, some might be recruited into government agencies to undertake particular covert activities.

And yes, I have watched La Femme Nikita.

Indeed. Kirk made a living antagonizing minorities. He held reprehensible views and is on record saying if his 10 year old daughter was pregnant as a result of rape, an abortion would not be an option.

He denied Palestine exists and spoke openly on how he views black people as lesser beings.

Yet over here, because his anti-trans views aligned, he is being praised and respected for his A level level at best debating skills.

For his fans, check out his THOUGHTCRIME podcast.

God this is getting tedious. No I think he was racist because of his comments about black people.

Everyone seems to be referencing the WSJ on this point which appears to be the only news source directly referencing this alleged report.

Given the febrile atmosphere and general confusion (two people already arrested and released, false allegations on Twitter about the killers ID), I'm personally wary of believing anything which isn't a direct public statement from a law enforcement agency.

Dictators start by killing the people they disagree with on 99% of things, they then end up killing people they only agree with on 99% of things.

Murdering people for their opinions is a slippery slope. I don't think any of us need to be prevaricating about what those opinions were and how much we do or don't agree with them.

A young man of 31 with a very young family was murdered in public. This is a horrible thing.

His views are not relevant to the fact he was murdered in cold blood.

Yes this murder was a heinous crime, but the victim was a person who had stated that in his view guns deaths were a price worth paying.

I'm gender critical.

I'm certainly not praising or respecting him because a bust clock happened to be right twice (or once, in his case) a day.

He held truly abhorrent views and seemed to luxuriate in stoking division and bigotry.

But I still don't condone murder.

Exactly. A lot of these claims are pure lies or gross exaggerations.

That is besides the point. Pointing out the irony of his death, given his views on gun crime, is not about debating his views. It is instead an invitation for those influenced by his politics to reflect on the old truth, “live by the sword, die by the sword”.

Though he did not hold a position in office, given his influence and reach, his extreme views carried weight and were not without consequence. He was a key force behind Trump’s re-election, and the policies he championed has resulted in lost lives and stripped freedoms, particularly from the poorest and most vulnerable. He normalised cruelty, excused violence and profited from divisive politics.

If nothing else, I hope his death serves as a wake-up call to those who support hateful policies simply because they are not directly affected, and makes them realise that political extremism is never harmless. At the same time, I unequivocally condemn political violence, no matter who the victim is.

As I say, the truth doesn't matter for things like this.

The only thing that matters is what people perceive to be the truth.

Unfortunately now, even if disproven people will still believe it.

If someone who gloated publicly was killed in a revenge attack, would that also serve as a “wake up call” do you think?

Live by the sword, die by the sword equivalence here would be if he was a sniper himself killing people he disagreed with.

He was shot while speaking about trans identified shooters.
He was most definitely killed because of his views.

The Second amendment impacted on the First

Did anyone see Megyn Kelly pouring with tears all the way through her show yesterday?

She claimed to have watched the close-up footage. Then said she'd sent him a text message to see how he was. WTF was she expecting by way of a reply after seeing the footage?

This is bullshit.

It's misrepresentative bullshit.

I find it difficult to get very emotional about this distant event.

Kirk may have been opposed to TRAs but he was also a misogynist equally opposed to feminism. Looking at the ideology he was spruiking in its totality, Kirk was a bad man and a bad influence.

Obviously, the man who murdered him was another bad man.

A bad man killing another bad man is a fairly minor tragedy in the scheme of things, especially given the huge number of innocent kids and other bystanders shot dead in the US every year.

Well that’s your opinion isn’t it? And you are perfectly entitled to it - Just as Charlie was entitled to his - without getting butchered in front of his wife and two children.

Yes, I fear you are right sadly.

I've said I don't condone his murder - it was heinous. Why are you preaching to the converted?

That wasn’t the point I was making. His views do not justify why someone murdered him in cold blood in front of his family. Not even a little bit. And that Luigi arsehole that many left leaning people fawned over wasn’t justified in killing either. I really worry about where this is going to end up. I think it’s quite likely that a prominent GC woman will be hurt at some point.