Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

The FBI press conference is starting any minute now the BBC are showing it so we will have all the info.
The shooter has been named by the BBC hes 22 (am not posting his name)

Don't be ridiculous, they aren't comedians writing rude tweets or middle aged women asking politicians what a woman is.

Gotta admit, even I didn't expect 'gender critical' activists go from hard pretending to be feminists to lauding over a man who wanted women back in the kitchen with all reproductive rights stripped from them. Perhaps I should have expected they'd go that extreme after they were busily cavorting with the Heritage foundation a few years back.

Also, the billionaire funder quoting Hitler is just the icing on the cake.

Judith Butler was so very correct.

My bbc coverage has cut out at the inscription part. Is that everywhere?

Quite. After all punch them in the balls is so much worse than this:

I’m glad that guy died but they’re going really hard on the ‘Ohh this is a dark day for America’ about a guy I had never heard of until he was shot. Can we get JK Rowling next? The UK would be unbearable about it but it’s for the greater good of trans people.”

Looks like the bio has a Scottish flag.

The most political wording on any of the ammo was: “Hey fascist. Catch.”

The WSJ really overcooked what had been found.

Signalbox, can I ask which of his views do you think have been represented? So far it seems quite a lot of his comments on race have been, also his views on guns, empathy,and Leviticus.

I loathed a lot of his opinions but it's dishonest and cowardly to claim a murdered man thought things he didn't actually.

"Bella ciao" is an Italian song strongly associated with anti-fascist resistance in WW2 in Italy.

Bluesky is a space where violent misogyny is fine.

This. He’s either antifa or pretending to be.

Bluesky is a space where violent misogyny is fine.

Hence the TRAs, MRAs and Incels absolutely love it.

That’s interesting. I’m still pretty disgusted at how many people were jumping on every rumour they could last night. FFS let law enforcement do their damned jobs!

No sky is still showing the press conference now and quoted the engraving

'Judith Butler was so very correct.' 🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I agree, but I think it’s inevitable that people will leak things in the feverish media/social media landscape of today, and of course people will discuss it.

It will be interesting to see what his background is.

The thing about Utah is, parts of the state - specifically the rural, overwhelmingly Mormon parts - really do live up to all the stereotypes of Utah conservatism. But the Salt Lake metro area is full of transplants from California who move there for lower taxes, lower crime and better schools, and bring California culture with them including far-left campus politics. The culture clash there is very live, and only papered over by traditional Mormon politeness.

From what I’ve seen reported of his social media, he looks like a fairly normal guy with a close family.

Charlie Kirk 'killer' identified as Tyler Robinson https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086467/Tyler-Robinson-Charlie-Kirk-killer-identified-Utah-Trump.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

How can you tell?

Not sure if it was your one, but the one I saw was absolutely horrendous. It really affected me.

You expect it to an extent on other platforms, but to see it here, and so many was really eye opening.

From the Daily Mail article, there is too much of a cultural chasm for me to understand what happened.

I would need to now far more than I will ever know about gun culture in the US.

This!!there appears to be a lot of hand wringing about being killed for ‘opinions’ - we do not know what the motive was

I agree people are going to talk about huge stories, but I still think there’s a line between discussing a story, and letting rumours that handily fit our confirmation bias run rampent.

Last night loads of people who never generally post in FWR suddenly sprang out of the woodwork to assure us the shooter was trans. I don’t like feeling like I’m being manipulated for someone’s political agenda, no matter what it is.

We do know who shot him now, @LimeShaker- we don’t know why but it appears that antifa slogans and a command from a video game were engraved on the ammunition.

May be you are someone who believes in #no debate.

Until several days ago, I had not heard of Charlie Kirk, so I listened to the Americast podcast (BBC) and learned that he was all about debate, that he loved debating with young people, hearing their views and taking their questions.

No debate is the antithesis of FWS. We debate things, we believe in freedom of speech. Do you honestly think that someone deserves to be killed for holding different views? I may not accept everything that Charlie Kirk said or stood for but I stand by freedom of speech and not shutting down those with a different point of view, whether by use of a bullet or otherwise.