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Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 4

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IDareSay · 07/09/2025 21:33

These threads have mostly been used to follow the case that has taken place at Westminster Magistrate's Court over the 4th and 5th September, (and will continue on the 29th October), but were created to follow the fallout of Graham's arrest at Heathrow on his return to the UK for this court case last week, and what is allegedly a conspiracy of TRAs to intimidate and harass a number of people, including Graham, with the alleged support of various police services.

He is currently on trial for alleged harassment of a trans identified male and criminal damage to the man's phone. The charges stem from a series of events in October 2024 at Battle of Ideas.

Part 1 here
Part 2 here
Part 3 here
Graham's account of the arrest here
You can support his Substack here
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Free Speech Union are running a fundraiser to support a claim against the Met in reference to the Heathrow arrest. Just search FSU and Graham Linehan fundraiser and it should be easy to find. At the time of posting it has reached 64% of its stretch target.
The FSU have managed to get the bail condition that @Glinner must not post on X removed, so he is now freely posting on there again.

Most of the mainstream media have reported on the case, but none have covered it as well as Nick Wallis. Follow him on X for live posting from the court again on 29th October.
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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 11:09

Extract from the article from Telegraph that Joyce links to in the post above.

I hadn't seen this article previously.

https://archive.ph/7wW2t#selection-3315.0-3341.199

Helen Joyce, a writer and women’s rights campaigner, said she was also reported to the authorities and now has a police investigation for “harassment” on her record.

The best-selling author of Trans, a book critical of gender ideology, she took part in a panel discussion with transgender activist Freda Wallace in 2023. Afterwards, she made several social media posts about the experience and Wallace’s “exhibitionism”.

Unbeknown to Joyce at the time, these Twitter posts were reported to the police. Court documents stated that Watson was behind these reports.
Joyce’s record shows she was initially looked into over a potential “non-crime hate incident” relating to “malicious communications”, but officers soon began investigating the possibility of “harassment”.

This is recorded against her name and could show on an advanced DBS check, despite police taking no further action against the author.

She was unaware of this police activity until earlier this year, when Watson asked the High Court to review the police decision not to pursue a criminal investigation into Joyce’s social media posts.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 11:12

From her own article:

What my SAR said was that, against my name, the “crime” of “harassment” had been recorded with “outcome 15”, which when I looked it up means that a suspect had been identified and the victim supported police action, but the case was closed due to “evidential difficulties”.

What evidential difficulties?! The police have literally never been in touch with me about any of this. And they definitely have my address and indeed my phone number because in the past couple of years I have reported several crimes, all related to my work — the most recent of which concerned one Lynsay Watson. The only reason I even knew I had been recorded as committing a crime was because Watson was so cross that I hadn’t been prosecuted that he had applied for judicial review of that decision, and as an interested party I received the paperwork.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 11:14

And

In the crime report Watson also claimed — entirely falsely and without even pretending to have any evidence — that I and/or my X followers had bombarded Wallace with abusive phone calls and done the same with his workplace. To be clear, I have never called him or his workplace, never had his phone number and never suggested anyone else did this either. I have never done anything remotely like this to anyone. And if the police had ever asked me, that’s what I would have told them.

If you’re wondering why it was Watson who put in this crime report, it was apparently because Wallace was so overcome with distress at my wickedness that he was unable to do it himself. Seriously, if you didn’t ever see the footage of the event, have a look and ask yourself whether it’s remotely plausible that he is such a delicate flower.

Even as my home police force has recorded me as having committed a crime without ever even getting in touch with me, two other police forces are trying to palm my crime report about Watson off on each other, each claiming that Watson lives on the other’s patch. I know of at least six other people who have either been targeted by Watson making a report about them, or made a report about Watson. And the same pattern is visible in all of them — his reports are taken seriously, ours aren’t.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/09/2025 11:18

So he's strong arming the police because if they don't take action he brings a judicial review.

I can't believe there isn't a law against vexatious complaints to the police. At what point does that become harassment?

Datun · 09/09/2025 11:25

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 11:14

And

In the crime report Watson also claimed — entirely falsely and without even pretending to have any evidence — that I and/or my X followers had bombarded Wallace with abusive phone calls and done the same with his workplace. To be clear, I have never called him or his workplace, never had his phone number and never suggested anyone else did this either. I have never done anything remotely like this to anyone. And if the police had ever asked me, that’s what I would have told them.

If you’re wondering why it was Watson who put in this crime report, it was apparently because Wallace was so overcome with distress at my wickedness that he was unable to do it himself. Seriously, if you didn’t ever see the footage of the event, have a look and ask yourself whether it’s remotely plausible that he is such a delicate flower.

Even as my home police force has recorded me as having committed a crime without ever even getting in touch with me, two other police forces are trying to palm my crime report about Watson off on each other, each claiming that Watson lives on the other’s patch. I know of at least six other people who have either been targeted by Watson making a report about them, or made a report about Watson. And the same pattern is visible in all of them — his reports are taken seriously, ours aren’t.

This is all going to come to a head, isn't it?

At some point, someone is going to have to revise the law that says you have committed a crime if someone is upset about something you said.

Plus, the protected characteristics need spelling out.

As far as I understand it, individuals aren't subject to the equality act in the same way that institutions are.

So it's no good pretending that it's discriminatory for an individual to call Freda Wallace, Fred.

Plus the quite horrifying double standards, of course.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 11:29

lifeturnsonadime · 09/09/2025 11:18

So he's strong arming the police because if they don't take action he brings a judicial review.

I can't believe there isn't a law against vexatious complaints to the police. At what point does that become harassment?

I would not be surprised if there was a certain 'retweeting' so Babs sings later today.

Also Helen Joyce (unlike some of the other GC players in this drama) isn't one who is on the GC 'naughty step' in quite the same way.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 11:33

Datun · 09/09/2025 11:25

This is all going to come to a head, isn't it?

At some point, someone is going to have to revise the law that says you have committed a crime if someone is upset about something you said.

Plus, the protected characteristics need spelling out.

As far as I understand it, individuals aren't subject to the equality act in the same way that institutions are.

So it's no good pretending that it's discriminatory for an individual to call Freda Wallace, Fred.

Plus the quite horrifying double standards, of course.

Yep.

All the signs are pointing to a big show down.

What I can't get my head around is the idea that Helen Joyce has a crime recorded against her that has never gone through the court process and she was never even aware of it.

How is that justice?

Everyone has a right to a human right to a fair trial.

Its unbelievable at just about every level.

All this 'bottom sides stuff' is starting to look completely fabricated!

FaithHopeCarnage · 09/09/2025 11:35

Also from the Helen Joyce article: “For now, I’ll just finish by saying that this has been an incredibly dispiriting insight into the state of policing. I’m sorry for Graham for what he has been put through, and rather cross with anyone who has used this as an opportunity to put the boot in. But very glad that his mistreatment is providing an opportunity for me and others to put it all in the public domain.”

I read the Wings over Scotland blog about Watson and was actually quite freaked out. I’d like to ask how all this could happen - except I know why it’s happening. A mixture of capture and incompetence in police structures. And that it all seemed so underground and no-one connecting the dots. Or even being aware of the dots.

I’m becoming cautiously optimistic that glimmers of light are beginning to be shone but also think that it’s going to take a while longer.

MyrtleLion · 09/09/2025 11:40

Inam horrified that a crime can be recorded against someone by the police without them knowing about it, let alone ever actually being questioned about it.

Is the Stasi or some secret police system?

murasaki · 09/09/2025 11:40

Maybe glimmers of light should be rebranded as glinners of light.

That column by Helen Joyce is outrageous, I can't believe they got any with doing that. I look forward to her full article.

spannasaurus · 09/09/2025 11:48

MyrtleLion · 09/09/2025 11:40

Inam horrified that a crime can be recorded against someone by the police without them knowing about it, let alone ever actually being questioned about it.

Is the Stasi or some secret police system?

I'm guessing it was a non crime hate incident that was recorded

MyrtleLion · 09/09/2025 11:51

spannasaurus · 09/09/2025 11:48

I'm guessing it was a non crime hate incident that was recorded

I agree, but imagine reporting a crime like burglary and three police looking you up and seeing that. They might think she's a racist and be wary of her. At the very least they may be sceptical of her report.

ThatCyanCat · 09/09/2025 11:52

spannasaurus · 09/09/2025 11:48

I'm guessing it was a non crime hate incident that was recorded

What's the point of those?

WandaSiri · 09/09/2025 11:52

spannasaurus · 09/09/2025 11:48

I'm guessing it was a non crime hate incident that was recorded

It was supposed to be a non-crime hate incident (which would be outrageous enough) but what was recorded was a crime - criminal harassment.

spannasaurus · 09/09/2025 11:55

ThatCyanCat · 09/09/2025 11:52

What's the point of those?

To enable people to get "crimes" recorded on someone's records without that person having the legal protections they would normally have when accused of a crime

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 09/09/2025 11:55

ThatCyanCat · 09/09/2025 11:52

What's the point of those?

Originally conceived as a way of high lighting behaviors that might lead to criminal activity

Actually used as a low or zero evidence way of harassing people who do not believe in genderwang

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 11:56

It is like some cross platform gymnastics even trying to put it all together in one space tbf. The AMOUNT of stuff coming out and being added in real time is
rather a lot.

And so it carries on:

SEEN Police Official Open Public Network AT seenpoliceuk.bsky.social
This is still an ongoing investigation Mrs Helen Joyce. Nice to see you refrain from deadnaming Freda since you were made aware Lynsay commenced proceedings against you.

This has also been pinned at the top of the same account, in the last hour or so

Why does Mrs Catherine Larkman need to begin every article telling the world how ‘great’ she is before demonising former PC Lynsay Watson Watson had commendations from her first police force. Back then (he) was a grafter. After coming out as trans she was promptly fired and declared a non-person.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 11:57

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 11:33

Yep.

All the signs are pointing to a big show down.

What I can't get my head around is the idea that Helen Joyce has a crime recorded against her that has never gone through the court process and she was never even aware of it.

How is that justice?

Everyone has a right to a human right to a fair trial.

Its unbelievable at just about every level.

All this 'bottom sides stuff' is starting to look completely fabricated!

That should say 'Both Sides'

FFS.

ThatCyanCat · 09/09/2025 11:58

spannasaurus · 09/09/2025 11:55

To enable people to get "crimes" recorded on someone's records without that person having the legal protections they would normally have when accused of a crime

Sounds like they need to be scrapped. It's either criminal, in which case undergo proceedings including proper defence and presentation of evidence, or it's not, in which case leave people alone.

TheStroppyFeminist · 09/09/2025 11:59

spannasaurus · 09/09/2025 11:48

I'm guessing it was a non crime hate incident that was recorded

I think she says it was an actual crime

Justme56 · 09/09/2025 11:59

What has happened to the police and justice system. Police investigate and collect evidence. A judge/jury determine guilt.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 12:02

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/5

Article 6 Right to a fair trial

1 In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law. Judgment shall be pronounced publicly but the press and public may be excluded from all or part of the trial in the interest of morals, public order or national security in a democratic society, where the interests of juveniles or the protection of the private life of the parties so require, or to the extent strictly necessary in the opinion of the court in special circumstances where publicity would prejudice the interests of justice.

2 Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law.

3 Everyone charged with a criminal offence has the following minimum rights:

(a) to be informed promptly, in a language which he understands and in detail, of the nature and cause of the accusation against him;

(b) to have adequate time and facilities for the preparation of his defence;

(c) to defend himself in person or through legal assistance of his own choosing or, if he has not sufficient means to pay for legal assistance, to be given it free when the interests of justice so require;

(d) to examine or have examined witnesses against him and to obtain the attendance and examination of witnesses on his behalf under the same conditions as witnesses against him;

(e) to have the free assistance of an interpreter if he cannot understand or speak the language used in court.

Just y'know saying.

Human Rights Act 1998

An Act to give further effect to rights and freedoms guaranteed under the European Convention on Human Rights; to make provision with respect to holders of certain judicial offices who become judges of the European Court of Hu...

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/5

MyrtleLion · 09/09/2025 12:05

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 12:02

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/5

Article 6 Right to a fair trial

1 In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law. Judgment shall be pronounced publicly but the press and public may be excluded from all or part of the trial in the interest of morals, public order or national security in a democratic society, where the interests of juveniles or the protection of the private life of the parties so require, or to the extent strictly necessary in the opinion of the court in special circumstances where publicity would prejudice the interests of justice.

2 Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law.

3 Everyone charged with a criminal offence has the following minimum rights:

(a) to be informed promptly, in a language which he understands and in detail, of the nature and cause of the accusation against him;

(b) to have adequate time and facilities for the preparation of his defence;

(c) to defend himself in person or through legal assistance of his own choosing or, if he has not sufficient means to pay for legal assistance, to be given it free when the interests of justice so require;

(d) to examine or have examined witnesses against him and to obtain the attendance and examination of witnesses on his behalf under the same conditions as witnesses against him;

(e) to have the free assistance of an interpreter if he cannot understand or speak the language used in court.

Just y'know saying.

And they get round it by saying she hasn't been charged. So she's in a limbo.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 12:11

What is fascinating is not only did Glinner's initial arrest unite Owen Jones, Nigel Farage, Keir Starmer and JKRowling on the same page ....

...but a lot of the internal rows and criticisms of the various groups within the GC movement have at least temporarily disappeared and instead its very much flushing out what the police are doing which is very questionable on a lot of levels.

The level of unaccountability here is utterly staggering.

Thingybob · 09/09/2025 12:18

I've only just read the Wings over Scotland article and outrageous doesn't cover it but what can we do?

Is it worth writing to our MPs to maybe get questions raised in PMQ?

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