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Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 3

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IDareSay · 05/09/2025 11:51

These threads are currently being used to follow the case that is taking place at Westminster Magistrate's Court over the 4th and 5th September, but will also be following the subsequent fallout of Graham's arrest at Heathrow on his return to the UK for this court case earlier this week.

He is currently on trial for alleged harassment of a trans identified male and criminal damage to the man's phone. The charges stem from a series of events in October 2024 at Battle of Ideas.

Part 1 here

Part 2 here

Graham's account of the arrest here

You can support his Substack here

Free Speech Union are running a fundraiser to support a claim against the Met in reference to the Heathrow arrest. Just search FSU and Graham Linehan fundraiser and it should be easy to find. Currently reached 93% of its target.

Most of the mainstream media have reported on the case, but none have covered it as well as Nick Wallis. Follow him on X for live posting from the court.
You can support Nick here (posted this morning Friday 5th September):

"I am deeply grateful to everyone who has seen fit to bung me the cost of a coffee, a pint or even a bloody London pint since I found out I was able to come back today. If you think you can afford to make a small donation, there’s more info here:"

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Deafnotdumb · 06/09/2025 08:33

Which begs the question; why are the police ignoring the TRAs harassment? There are obvious on-camera moments, a 400 page dossier and an entire website compiling threats and hate speech.

And yet...crickets. Whilst no one is prosecuted for the crickets at conferences and behaviour at demos.

Allergictoironing · 06/09/2025 08:36

Manxexile · 05/09/2025 22:48

Question for the lawyers out there.

Perhaps I'm being naive here, but if I were charged with a criminal offence I would expect to know who the witnesses giving evidence against me were - so that I could investigate them.

I'm aware that "bad character" evidence can't necessarily be used to undermine a witnesses' credibility, but am I mistaken to believe that the defence should know all the previous names a witness has been known by?

Incidentally regarding all the speculation regarding the Sophie Brooks as a director on Companies House, I suspect they are different people.

Many witnesses to crimes would never step forwards if they thought the accused or their associates knew they had said anything. Would you speak up about e.g. a murder knowing that your name etc would be known by the murderer and all his mates, with the chance they would have "a visit and a little chat" about you giving evidence? Or a local guy with a record for assault and/or arson?

The rule about protection of a witnesses details is there for a good reason, but unfortunately like many good rules and laws it IS open to abuse (as in this case)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/09/2025 08:47

Mollyollydolly · 05/09/2025 18:30

Wings over Scotland article
It's a cracker
https://wingsoverscotland.com/down-on-the-beaches/

Chef’s kiss!

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2025 08:49

Deafnotdumb · 06/09/2025 08:33

Which begs the question; why are the police ignoring the TRAs harassment? There are obvious on-camera moments, a 400 page dossier and an entire website compiling threats and hate speech.

And yet...crickets. Whilst no one is prosecuted for the crickets at conferences and behaviour at demos.

This.

It's not a conspiracy theory, when you can literally see evidence of Linehan's 'tin foil hatism' without looking too far.

The problem is, that people don't want to see it, because if they see it they have to acknowledge there is a problem and do something about it. Plus it undermines their whole understanding of the stereotype of the 'poor helpless nice gentle transwoman' they been spoon fed. Which in turn collapses the whole premise of 'be kind', 'just wanting to pee' and a passivity of just being tolerant.

They don't want to see examples of transwomen being abusive because 'thats transphobic and unrepresentative'.

Except of course Sophie Molly was a green candidate, Fred Wallace has done interviews on the BBC, Lyndsey Watson has form and was kicked out the police and the police are supposed to be unbiased and there's some suggestion Sophie Brooks got his way because he threatened a judicial review.

These aren't people who are just getting on with their lives invisibly. They are actively trying to abuse the system, held positions of authority and trust and have been taken seriously as mainstream representatives of the trans community.

All of which matters greatly.

Llamasarellovely · 06/09/2025 08:51

I was the one who mentioned tin foil hats, for exactly the reason mentioned. We KNOW this stuff, we've been following it, we can see why Glinner is at the end of his tether (& why this mob of unwashed weirdos have gone after him).
But the judge, even if she's a closet MNetter, can only go on the evidence before her, relating to the incidents in Q.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/09/2025 08:52

@DeafnotdumbThis is what blows my mind.
Why do the police always, always take their side??
Why do ‘our’ complaints routinely get dismissed out of hand??

As Baroness Nicholson wrote in her letter to Mark Rowley: your officers clearly don’t investigate every complaint.
I expect a mealy mouthed response from him, if he writes back at all.

It infuriates the life out of me.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/09/2025 08:52

@DeafnotdumbThis is what blows my mind.
Why do the police always, always take their side??
Why do ‘our’ complaints routinely get dismissed out of hand??

As Baroness Nicholson wrote in her letter to Mark Rowley: your officers clearly don’t investigate every complaint.
I expect a mealy mouthed response from him, if he writes back at all.

It infuriates the life out of me.

2021x · 06/09/2025 08:53

Deafnotdumb · 06/09/2025 08:33

Which begs the question; why are the police ignoring the TRAs harassment? There are obvious on-camera moments, a 400 page dossier and an entire website compiling threats and hate speech.

And yet...crickets. Whilst no one is prosecuted for the crickets at conferences and behaviour at demos.

I was in the gym (in NZ) and a male- and I assume a Transgender woman- came in. This person was obviously male and came in with a woman. I had just got my trousers and top on, but 30 secs before that I would have been in my underwear.

If I had behaved in a way that people do when they feel threatended i.e. shouted and pushed them out would that mean I was defending my self (the changing room is female) or would that mean that I was responsible for assault? If this person was a man-man that behavour woudl be seen as self defence no question, how can you tell the difference?

Given the fact that the people in my community openly call for the harassment and assault of JK Rowling, and are not penalised- but hold people like GL responsible for the same behavoir has given me the impression that if I had acted in my mind reasonably and confronted the person I would have been labelled as a bigot, and possibly arrested.

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2025 08:54

Llamasarellovely · 06/09/2025 08:51

I was the one who mentioned tin foil hats, for exactly the reason mentioned. We KNOW this stuff, we've been following it, we can see why Glinner is at the end of his tether (& why this mob of unwashed weirdos have gone after him).
But the judge, even if she's a closet MNetter, can only go on the evidence before her, relating to the incidents in Q.

All of which was brought up in court and there were admissions to by the 'victim'.

I'm sure Linehan can produce the 400 pages that the police have chosen to ignore...

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/09/2025 08:55

Llamasarellovely · 06/09/2025 08:51

I was the one who mentioned tin foil hats, for exactly the reason mentioned. We KNOW this stuff, we've been following it, we can see why Glinner is at the end of his tether (& why this mob of unwashed weirdos have gone after him).
But the judge, even if she's a closet MNetter, can only go on the evidence before her, relating to the incidents in Q.

I was happy that she didn’t insist on female pronouns be used for SB.

But, time will tell if she’s a complete div or not.
It’s impossible for me to be unbiased with this, but (to me) it couldn’t be more cut and dried in GL’s favour.

PriOn1 · 06/09/2025 09:02

With regard to tin foil hat territory, I have long thought the current situation and sheer regulatory capture that periodically gets discussed on here, are so extreme that anyone describing it to anyone who is new to all this risks being dismissed as having gone a bit crazy.

Telling people on Twix, years ago, that there were men in women’s prisons was often met with disbelief, as was the fact that medics were cutting breasts off teenage girls and giving drugs to children that cause sterility, for a mental health problem.

Those things are now well established, but the sheer gaslighting of these terrifying bullies is also appalling to watch. These are grown sociopathic men, who are wielding the police and manipulating the law, as well as turning up at women’s houses, attacking them on social media, while broadly staying out of the spotlight.

Having experienced this kind of bullying as a young woman, I know the only way to escape the grips of these men, once they have you in their sights, is grey rock, but then we see this new tactic, throwing a trained youngster into the ring to get into people’s faces, driving them to the point where it’s impossible to achieve grey rock, other than by withdrawing from any kind of activism.

And, of course, that is a sideline to their sheer enjoyment at seeing their victims panic, suffer, get angry and realize how powerless they are to do anything about the monster who is tormented them, but has convinced the world he’s the victim.

I despise these men with every fibre of my being, but have never found any way to defeat them as they always have support from the power structures in society.

If Graham Linehan can finally make others see this struggle, he will have achieved something. I feel for him though as, even in a much smaller scale, gaslighting was the worst thing that ever happened to me. It broke my mind and I’ve never really fully recovered.

INeedAPensieve · 06/09/2025 09:02

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/09/2025 08:47

Chef’s kiss!

Bloody hell that wings article really lays it out doesn't it?!

Shedmistress · 06/09/2025 09:02

Judges don't want to be threatened, or have their family and friends threatened either. These evil sociopaths seem to just get handed break after break. Reporting a man for saying 'thanks mate', honestly this is sociopathic behaviour.

The banality of evil eh?

Charabanc · 06/09/2025 09:03

borntobequiet · 06/09/2025 08:19

Have I got the right idea, broadly? It’s so hard to stay on top of all the action these days!

Of the subsection of men who dislike women, gay men generally dislike them the most as they see no value in them whatsoever.

Until they want to rent a womb, and then magically women become a) actual women, and b) useful to them.

Charabanc · 06/09/2025 09:06

Talkinpeace · 05/09/2025 21:32

I met Glinner at an LWS
he oozes charisma ( see also Bill Clinton)
but due to the odd alignment of his eye sockets (possibly connected to the fate of his last child)
is not photogenic.

See also Andy Hamilton.

Genius is not physical

Oh, absolutely. My point was about the BBC mysteriously continually using the most unflatting photo of him they could find...

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2025 09:06

PriOn1 · 06/09/2025 09:02

With regard to tin foil hat territory, I have long thought the current situation and sheer regulatory capture that periodically gets discussed on here, are so extreme that anyone describing it to anyone who is new to all this risks being dismissed as having gone a bit crazy.

Telling people on Twix, years ago, that there were men in women’s prisons was often met with disbelief, as was the fact that medics were cutting breasts off teenage girls and giving drugs to children that cause sterility, for a mental health problem.

Those things are now well established, but the sheer gaslighting of these terrifying bullies is also appalling to watch. These are grown sociopathic men, who are wielding the police and manipulating the law, as well as turning up at women’s houses, attacking them on social media, while broadly staying out of the spotlight.

Having experienced this kind of bullying as a young woman, I know the only way to escape the grips of these men, once they have you in their sights, is grey rock, but then we see this new tactic, throwing a trained youngster into the ring to get into people’s faces, driving them to the point where it’s impossible to achieve grey rock, other than by withdrawing from any kind of activism.

And, of course, that is a sideline to their sheer enjoyment at seeing their victims panic, suffer, get angry and realize how powerless they are to do anything about the monster who is tormented them, but has convinced the world he’s the victim.

I despise these men with every fibre of my being, but have never found any way to defeat them as they always have support from the power structures in society.

If Graham Linehan can finally make others see this struggle, he will have achieved something. I feel for him though as, even in a much smaller scale, gaslighting was the worst thing that ever happened to me. It broke my mind and I’ve never really fully recovered.

Edited

DH for a long time made comments that it was all bullshit or exaggerated. It couldn't possibly happen.

No really... It did... Multiple times... Would you like to read the twitter feeds of some of these prominent individuals who have been given respectability and status in the numerous media appearances?

Suffice to say he's come round on that opinion...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/09/2025 09:07

Finally caught up on all the threads. I hope it’s becoming clearer to the #bekind crew why women wouldn’t want this type of deranged, resentful misogynistic man in our spaces, regardless of his claimed “gender”.

DeanElderberry · 06/09/2025 09:22

borntobequiet · 06/09/2025 08:19

Have I got the right idea, broadly? It’s so hard to stay on top of all the action these days!

Of the subsection of men who dislike women, gay men generally dislike them the most as they see no value in them whatsoever.

Agree, but to clarify in case someone decides to misrepresent what you said (as if) Of the subsection of men who dislike women, those men in that subsection who are gay men generally dislike them the most as they see no value in them whatsoever.

Gay men like Mr Menno can see it because they know than and don't have to live in 'my gentle lovely gay best friend' land. I've got male gay friends who I like and respect, also know some gay men who shun women. It's almost as if they are a mixed and diverse group of humans.

Llamasarellovely · 06/09/2025 09:23

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2025 08:54

All of which was brought up in court and there were admissions to by the 'victim'.

I'm sure Linehan can produce the 400 pages that the police have chosen to ignore...

No, his evidence is over, that's it. The other three defence witnesses can bring in their personal experience now but Glinner can't.

Llamasarellovely · 06/09/2025 09:27

And that is exactly my point. There were a couple of admissions which mean a lot to those of us "in the know". But why should the judge care about KJK? She's not a witness. The harassment mentioned means so much if you know the background. Without it, I wonder if the impression of all those angry texts is a man shouting at clouds.
I bloody hope not, this lot, Fat Tony et al, they make my skin crawl. Disgusting men. I desperately want Glinner free and happy, to a level that surprises me given I've met him just once! Like I desperately want Sandie to win. I want this madness crushed.

Datun · 06/09/2025 09:29

It's very reassuring that the courtroom was packed with journalists. Especially one like Nick Wallis who would appear to be the sort of journalist that once he gets the bit between his teeth, nothing will stop him.

i'm quite sure that most of the journalists have no real idea the depths to which these men will go, how long it has lasted, and the power they wield. But one thing's for sure, this trial, the armed police debacle, and it being Graham Linehan has definitely lifted the lid. Curiosity will have been whetted.

Any journalist worth his salt will be smelling a massive story.

Power in high places, corruption, bias, risible ideology, top brass mouthing drivel and more lurid details than you can shake a stick at.

i mean c'mon, it bloody writes itself!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/09/2025 09:29

Can’t it be part of the bundle, or do they have to speak about it?

borntobequiet · 06/09/2025 09:39

DeanElderberry · 06/09/2025 09:22

Agree, but to clarify in case someone decides to misrepresent what you said (as if) Of the subsection of men who dislike women, those men in that subsection who are gay men generally dislike them the most as they see no value in them whatsoever.

Gay men like Mr Menno can see it because they know than and don't have to live in 'my gentle lovely gay best friend' land. I've got male gay friends who I like and respect, also know some gay men who shun women. It's almost as if they are a mixed and diverse group of humans.

Thanks for the extra clarification, appreciated!

DeanElderberry · 06/09/2025 09:46

Abhannmor · 06/09/2025 08:08

That's some level of impunity these nutters have. Did such a thing ever happen before? Maybe the UVF enjoyed some measure of police protection way back in the 70s. It's scary because a lot of these lads are seriously mentally unwell.

That is a really interesting comment. The continuity in membership of secret societies between Scotland and Northern Ireland is well known (as is the way the Kincora children's home was used to provide blackmail fodder for the
establishment).

It makes me wonder whether Glinner's national and cultural identity made him an extra tasty hate figure for them.

ThatCyanCat · 06/09/2025 09:51

Deafnotdumb · 06/09/2025 08:33

Which begs the question; why are the police ignoring the TRAs harassment? There are obvious on-camera moments, a 400 page dossier and an entire website compiling threats and hate speech.

And yet...crickets. Whilst no one is prosecuted for the crickets at conferences and behaviour at demos.

It may be partly because GCs don't have the time or inclination to flood the system with vexatious complaints. We generally have jobs, families, hobbies/creative pursuits and, as passionate as we are about the issue because it's important, we lack the single minded, egotistical obsessiveness shown by so many TRAs who are driven by their weak sense of self and/or passionate misogyny.

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