Posting upton’s old photos and name on twitter

[Biggadyboom]

Look I’ve been in these discussions since before this forum existed. You don’t need to break it down for me. I peaked in 2018.

But the endless sharing of upton’s name accompanied by photos and horrible comments about him and his wife is not nice. It is totally is transphobia. It’s horrible.

I could kind of understand the point of it, if it was just the name being shared.

But equally the court has ruled that Upton has a right to privacy. I thought it was all about respecting court’s rulings?

but the sharing of private photos (presumably grabbed from social media) and especially their wedding photo with insults to both of them and speculation about their marriage is awful and will not help their be a resolution to this debate. It polarises it even more and is transphobia.

fair enough, don’t let Upton change the rules of the country and workplace based on personal beliefs . But that doesn’t involve posting personal information and photos , insults and horrible speculation.

or are we just going low now?

I don't use X either. Or at least I didn't think I did but if the OP knows better it must be so.

Wonder how much of the far right nonsense I'm also responsible for posting on there, obviously as well as the contents of this thread.

Fascinating.

To be honest if I was as articulate as you I wouldn’t have done so! I have apologised for it up thread

Upton is a man who insists he is a woman and who carried out a concerted campaign to have a woman punished for not wanting to undress in his presence.

That he is a man pretending to be a woman is central to the case.

That men pretend to be women and try to force us all under pain of social and legal consequences to lie and say they pass as women is central to this case.

You might call this transphobia. Maybe it is. That just means transphobia is another meaningless concept. I don't wish Dr Upton harm. I do think it important that his lies are exposed and that the more people who see his pictures and realise what women are being forced to accept, the better for us all in the end.

That he got to change his name and receive a new GMC registration is also relevant; I don't think most people realise than a male doctor who decides he feels like a woman is allowed to have a whole fresh GMC reg with his sex incorrectly recorded.

And most importantly: this is a case of a woman experiencing menstrual flooding wanting the dignity of a female only space to do that in, and being punished for it. Why should I centre the potential hurt feelings of the man who denied her that dignity and set out to destroy her for daring to want it? Any humiliation he experiences is his own responsibility.

the sharing of private photos (presumably grabbed from social media)
As others have pointed out, he made them publicly available.

But OP thinking it’s reasonable to blame twitter pile on on Mumsnet posters is bollocks.

I saw someone on Twitter post something mean about cats the other day. Come on, which one of you here was it? Own up. You’re only making it harder for yourself. We’re not leaving until someone owns up to it.

Exactly @NotBadConsidering you’ll all stay in at break time!

I'm sure if we wait 10 minutes someone will announce it's all JKR's fault.

“it’ll peak people in the opposite direction”

I don’t think it will. I think that those people who would ‘peak the opposite direction’ are those who are not going to think deeply about the significance and the issue at all.

I mentioned to my husband that the submissions now had to be redacted of that name and he immediately understood that this detaches that name officially in the submissions (and I could be wrong, from any mention in the judgement). It effectively officially siloes that name from Beth Upton.

As I said to him, he could move and change back to the original name and who will be the wiser if they only looked at official records.

Plus it was a significant statement to make in court about the power that one group has to control speech.

So, if those people who would ‘peak in the opposite direction’ don’t understand the significance of the redaction, I doubt they would be convinced by moderation in any case. Because they haven’t been convinced by Bryson and a slew of others. They haven’t been convinced by Hubbard and Thomas. They haven’t been convinced by Wadwha . They haven’t been convinced previously by Upton.

Why do you think they will be convinced at all?

@Biggadyboom had Dr Upton not said on the stand under oath that he intends to violate female patients rights to bodily autonomy, privacy and dignity by assaulting/sexually assaulting them when they have specifically requested same sex care by gaining consent by deception through claiming to be female, I would agree wholeheartedly however he has said as much so women and parents/carers of female patients need to know who he is and what he looks like so they can be protected from him.
This is not about transphobia its about safeguarding vulnerable female patients from a devious predatory male who is not fit to practice medicine imho. Any medic who claims not to know the difference between a male and female body should not be allowed to practice any form of medicine.

Agree that I’d also say the photos were an invasion of privacy and unfair targeting of wife/family, but not being transphobic. So I am also interested in OP’s definition of transphobia.

It’s interesting to me that people - and especially women - get absolutely ripped apart and vilified on SM but it’s not often labelled womenphobia though it might be acknowledged as misogynistic.

calling them « pervert and enabler » under their wedding photo is transphobia

Sweep was the best of the bunch, Sooty always thought himself too cool and aloof to bother speaking to anyone and Su was an utter PITA.

I'm very mildly intrigued by the concept that someone who has been posting in FWR and supporting women's rights extensively in other ways for many years might be fretting over the potential augmentation on a completely different social media outlet of the narrative that TERFS are evil transphobes. That's just background noise to most of us now.

You wouldn't believe some of the awful things said about women on Reddit. And photos/videos of actual physical and sexual abuse.

Who should I demand apologise for those?

ah But you see that’s our fault too cos if we’d only let the men have what they want, they wouldn’t have to post those things.

I don’t think it’ll be harming the GC movement, in fact I think it’s more likely that it’s reaching a wider audience and probably playing a role in peaking others.
I’m on X and nothing was fed to me although when I searched for it I could see it was trending.
Are you new to Twitter/X? What I’ve seen there today is really nothing compared with the anti-GC tweets of a few years ago! Or compared with the worst from the other side, including death threats or threats or sexual violence aimed at ‘terfs’, posting people’s addresses, etc. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but let’s get some perspective.
It is no doubt unpleasant for him and his wife. But truth is - he is a man, that’s what he used to look like, that’s what his name was, why should he be allowed to hide his previous identity when the sole reason he is there is because he demanded entry into women’s spaces and harassed a woman and ruined her career when she said no to undressing in front of him?
Many women might want to know that if they go to the NHS and request a female doctor, that someone like Dr Upton might think it ok to put themselves forward as that doctor. If this publicity makes people think twice - trans medical staff and patients - then I can’t get worked up about issues over his right to privacy.

Oh fgs. You post on here telling everyone not to do it, you can't complain that we're being childish by reminding you it's not happening on here and on the whole we're not the ones doing it.

What exactly did you want us to say?

If you share something publicly on social media, then there can't be an expectation of privacy over it.

You can go through the whole 'right to be forgotten' thing, so google won't show it to people, but it's already out there.

Just like you have no expectation of privacy walking down a street so anyone can take a picture of you and post that.

Sure, in the old days you'd have to be famous enough that someone wanted to take your picture and publish it in a paper, whereas now anyone can make it available to the world instantly, but not having a reasonable expectation of privacy hasn't changed

Have you been scolding those on Twitter doing the actual posting or are you convinced mumsnet are doing it? Are we supposed to be responsible for everything bad that’s put on line? @Biggadyboom

At least she’s on Twitter, so the blame effort would be a bit less tenuous!

I haven’t seen it but I expect the comments go beyond stating ‘this is a male’. While I agree that he was quite comfortable orchestrating a nasty smear campaign against sandie peggie at her work, as well as making a woman feel extremely vulnerable and intimidated in what should be a space private to women, I still don’t support online pile ons full of nasty comments.

"You need to stop doing this! It is bad!"

"We're not."

"Stop being CHILDISH!!!!!"

I expect MNers have been the ones lurking about following Upton for the last few years, even before he decided to call himself a woman, and taking sneaky pictures of him ready to post on social media if the need arose and he started muscling in on womens spaces and bullying old people with dementia and women who stood up to his arrogance.🙂

Also, if part of your legal claim is ‘evidence’ that even people who are in daily contact with you don’t know you are a TIM I think it makes you fair game for people to find out for themselves if what you assert is true.

Mean comments about his poor wife are another issue however.

But truth is - he is a man, that’s what he used to look like, that’s what his name was

To be fair, that's what he still looks like, fashion choices aside.

I'm sure we all have photos of our embarrassing fashion choices at various points in our life. There's nothing so special about him and his.

On the Internet, you need to post receipts before apologists start making excuses like maybe it’s a hairy, masculine looking woman?

The wife should definitely be left alone but changing in a place where you make others uncomfortable is the very definition of a pervert. A reasonable person would have requested a third space rather than cause women distress.

Yabu to assume it’s someone on here. Do you post on all parenting and/or gender sites?

Did it occur to you that it could be one of those people who found the Polish CEO who stole the tennis hat off a child or the Coldplay cheating CEO in record time? Lots of people enjoy playing internet sleuth to find info on people and the internet means that if its online, it’s available to everyone.

Also, OP, where have you been? Those photos and his former first name have been doing the rounds online for absolutely ages. I haven't seen anything new at all. Actually I'm surprised there aren't more pictures in this day and age and given he's young enough to have pretty much grown up with social media.