Posting upton’s old photos and name on twitter

[Biggadyboom]

Look I’ve been in these discussions since before this forum existed. You don’t need to break it down for me. I peaked in 2018.

But the endless sharing of upton’s name accompanied by photos and horrible comments about him and his wife is not nice. It is totally is transphobia. It’s horrible.

I could kind of understand the point of it, if it was just the name being shared.

But equally the court has ruled that Upton has a right to privacy. I thought it was all about respecting court’s rulings?

but the sharing of private photos (presumably grabbed from social media) and especially their wedding photo with insults to both of them and speculation about their marriage is awful and will not help their be a resolution to this debate. It polarises it even more and is transphobia.

fair enough, don’t let Upton change the rules of the country and workplace based on personal beliefs . But that doesn’t involve posting personal information and photos , insults and horrible speculation.

or are we just going low now?

It’s a ridiculous premise for a thread either way.

“Why are people on Twitter/X posting ‘transphobic’ stuff?”

Dunno, go and ask them.

But the actual premise of the thread is

“Why are all you lot here posting ‘transphobic’ stuff on Twitter/X?”

Which is goady AF.

OP can feel free to run back to any MRA group they like with my comments, shouts of transphobia are toothless when we are stating simple, non hateful things like abuse isn't ok but this dude is a man.

Fill your boots @Biggadyboom

And what more discussion do you think there is to have about this exactly? We aren't responsible for everything, everywhere. We aren't abusing anyone. We aren't transphobic. We will not wheesht though, we will continue to point out the abuse of women, and will continue to point out that men are men even when they say they are women.

What exactly is your problem with that?

Okay can we post evidence of any 'crossover' before continuing this stupid discussion?

Thanks. Just off the google it

Upton, driven by ego, decided to go to war against biology, against the long-established rules of the society he grew up in, against women in general (including a vulnerable woman suffering from dementia), and against Sandie Peggy in particular.

It is not surprising that some people have been triggered. But wrong to drag his wife into it, beyond her public support for him during this legal process.

How is it transphobic? what protections exactly under ‘transphobia’ in the EA2010is he being stripped of here? Was he just innocently walking down the street going about his life in his Milano Blahniks and a bunch of nasty women took offence and hashtagged him for daring to look better in heels that they do? Becsuse THAT would be transphobia.

Or did he intimidate and sexually harass women in his place of work and then single one of them out and try to destroy her career by bringing a case against her at tribunal? And then a bunch of rightfully angry women hashtagged the bullying silencing sexual harasser and he gets to find out what it’s like to invoke the Streisand effect? This is NOT transphobia.

I'm completely fine with people sharing the old photos of him. He's a man who invaded female changing rooms and watched nonconsenting women undress and then lied to try get someone fired for complaining. He is dispicable. Photos of him showing him dressed as he did a couple years ago are entirely relevant to this discussion. And if his wife supports his harassment of women, she should expect the negative comments.

So what word do you use to define men who watch nonconsenting women undress knowing full well they are uncomfortable with it? What word do you use to describe men like this who try to get women fired for complaining about undressing in front of them? What word do you use to describe those that support this behaviour?

I don’t give a fuck if people post or share about Dr Theodore Benedict Upton.

He started this by forcing his way into a single sex space and then by LYING about Sandie Peggie’s professional conduct quite apart from whining about ‘twansphobia’. Do you even know what a phobia is?

Sorry @LadyBracknellsHandbagg I think my post quoting you might easily be read as me being grumpy at you, that was not my intention at all so apologies if that's how it read!

I really enjoy your posts and am usually nodding in agreement when I read what you have to say.

The OP has just ground my gears, my irritation was entirely directed at them!

It seems odd to me @Biggadyboom, that if you've been here since 2018 and are GC, that you would post under a new username, instead of one that would show a history of posting on FWR in support of women and children.

If you've been here for that long, surely you would know that a new username and a scolding post would make it seem like you are just here to wind women up, no?

Thanks for those having a discussion about it,

i think it is transphobia to post private photos and comment things like « pervert » underneath them.

as I’ve said since the first post, I can kinda see the point of the hashtagging his name, although I wouldn’t do it .

it’s the photos and insults that I think are awful.

i don’t think it’s justified and i think it plays into the narrative that terfs are transphobic.

Love how you casually mention following Sweep, for some reason that's made me properly chuckle this morning 😂

I'm another who has nothing to do with social media, so I haven't seen any of the supposed transphobic posts online. I do, however, think, that quite apart from the vicious bullying he inflicted on Sandie Peggie, if a bloke stands up in a public tribunal that has attracted an unprecedented level of media interest of all kinds, and declares unblushingly that he is a biological female by virtue of being biological and a female, then a bunch of his backstory photos being posted online to point the obvious nonsense of his fantasy is the very least he deserves. And coming on here to blame Mumsnet posters for something that happened in a galaxy far, far away is yet another interesting riff on the first Rule of Misogyny.

Upton sought anonymity at the beginning I believe, which the tribunal rejected. What the gloating and trending may do is legitimise the next request by someone else at another hearing at which point we won’t know. I do admit to a certain schadenfreude, but at the same time this could derail future cases as a slam dunk has been presented as to reasons.

I change my username every so often because I value my privacy and don’t want current posts linked to older posts. This has happened repeatedly in the past , with a couple of occasion people in real life finding me.

jeez you guys. Have the discussion without the troll hunting will you.

here is a place I felt it could be discussed with a reasonable cross over. Which was correct as most of you know what I’m talking about.

For heaven's sake, we know what you're talking about because you described it in your opening post.

I deleted my Twitter account a year ago because its tone since Musk got his mitts on it had become increasingly unpleasant. I haven't seen any of the posts you mentioned but can easily believe you that they are there.

Your whole premise is that we, the women of FWR, are among those posting Upton's photos on Twitter. You have no reason to believe that. Telling us we're big meanies for doing things we haven't done isn't having a meaningful conversation.

I'd be very interested to know how these photos were originally shared on the internet. I'd assume it was on a site such as Facebook, and likely shared by people in the photo or the friend taking it.

The moral of story is - if you don't want your photo on the internet, don't put it (or allow others to put it) on the internet.

Dance like nobody is watching.
Upload photos of said dancing like one day you will trend on X.

I think a man who claims to be a lesbian is a pervert and I won’t apologise for saying that.

Personally I didn’t like the idea that family members were drawn into the proceedings, like JR using SPs relationship with her lesbian daughter. I’m sure her privacy was important just like DU’s wife’s is, but did JR care?

completely agree. It legitimises the argument

people are getting carried away.

I think there is a photo of his graduation which is freely available, and some from his Facebook floating around. Maybe he should have anticipated this and locked them down, being involved in a high profile court case. This is the world we live in.

A heterosexual male who forces his way into women's previously single sex spaces where they will be regularly in varying states of undress.

If women say no he will attempt to coerce them as shown by what happened to Sandie Peggie.

A heterosexual male who, on the stand no less, admitted that he intended to intimately examine women who had specifically asked for same sex intimate care torpedo-ing their consent, AND would require and expect his colleagues to facilitate and endorse this literal sexual abuse of vulnerable patients.

And you don't think this is even possibly perverted in any way?

Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it I guess.

Personally I think he is a misogynistic creep for all the above reasons at least.

or are we just going low now?

I think many of us take the view "we go high, they go low". But in fairness sticking to the moral high ground does get wearing after a while, particularly when no one gives you any credit for it. Even if you are exquisitely polite, people will still call you a "bigoted Terf" and much worse.

Meanwhile, trans activists can get away with threatening to burn us alive, decapitate us and so on, and hardly anyone seems to mind. So I don't really blame people for thinking, sod it, let's give them a taste of their own medicine. (A metaphor that feels particularly apt on this occasion.)

Also this.

There’s a war on women and OP is still telling us to ‘be nice’.