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BeLemonNow · 28/08/2025 16:13

Easyozy · 28/08/2025 16:01

No Felix winter is a biological female identifying as male.

Yes sorry thinko but can't change it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/08/2025 16:15

willowtree99 · 28/08/2025 15:16

The transgender identity is relevant here, but its only one part of the picture.

This has all the hallmarks of 764/O9A.

O9A (Order of the Nine Angles) is a satanic organisation established in the 1970s in England which later went international, linking up with global neo-nazis, particularly in the US, Russia and Ukraine. From the beginning it was associated with child and animal sexual abuse.

764 is a relatively new development associated with O9A, where O9A members recruit children and youth through Discord, Roblox and Telegram, they particularly target children/youth who have mental health issues (esp anorexia); are gender confused or self harming. They circulate gore and illegal porn and demand gore (often of killing animals) or extreme porn, and use threats to them and their family members to obtain it. The ideology is nihilist/accelerationist/pro-mortalist, and sometime referred to as "soup" as it has no clear political base except violence. It recruits heavily from trans youth because of the centrality of death in trans ideological tropes (dead name, trans day of remembrance, lack of reproductive ability, extreme body modification despite risks to life/health, dead son/trans daughter, trans genocide etc etc etc)

This shooter and several others in the US, fit a clear profile of 764 grooming. (heavy online presence, trans/gender-confused, use of Cyrillic alphabet, known O9A symbols used, ideological soup).

I'm in no way suggesting that this excuses his actions, what I am pointing out is that there is a far bigger threat here. This violence isnt individual and random, its co-ordinated and encouraged online. 764 is known to be active in the UK. Two young men have already been arrested in connection with it, and there are a couple of incidents in the UK (incl. Southport and Edinburgh) where I think it is at least possible that there may be a 764 connection. Associated organisations include "CVLT", "com", "Manic Murder Cult", "Terrorgram" and "Harm Nation".

Very interesting info, thanks!

mrshoho · 28/08/2025 19:06

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/08/2025 16:15

Very interesting info, thanks!

It's a particularly sinister online 'community' and I can understand how kids with mental health issues get sucked further in. There is really not enough protection as I assume they start off on moderated forums and then branch off into private groups. It's bloody terrifying.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 28/08/2025 19:22

I read recently that there is a trend that originated in China of killing cats and recording it. It reminds me of the satanic groups a PP discussed where young people are getting heavily involved in it. Let me find a link.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yp9w5kyw7o.amp

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/08/2025 19:28

BeLemonNow · 27/08/2025 22:00

It matters. It's an anti-Catholic hate crime committed by a trans identifying male. There is a lot of anti-Catholicism in transgender activism.

Or another way of looking at it, would you be saying "it doesn't matter" if a different minority was targeted by another?

Clearly a diusturbed young man, who had identified as a woman for 10 years.
Includes lots of extreme anti semitic content.

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/08/2025 19:34

VoulezVouz · 28/08/2025 01:47

I agree with this. This tragedy was committed by a psychologically-damaged white male. Conservative commentators are jumping on the ‘trans’ element for their own ends, and that is shameful.

Though the fact that his crimes are typical male pattern crimes underlines the fact that the oft repeated "trans people are the most marginalised, lovely, sensitive souls" is just nonsense. People who adopt trans identities are just like everyone else, and they remain either male or female. It is important that people see that men with trans identities are men like any other, regardless of their supposed female identity.

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/08/2025 19:38

VoulezVouz · 28/08/2025 07:30

I’m sorry - what’s your point? This happened in the US. Like it or not, this is used in demographic statistics.

His maleness says enough...regardless of his ethnicity. What point are you trying to make by emphasising that he is white? What difference would it have made if he was black?

Firealarm1414 · 28/08/2025 21:30

willowtree99 · 28/08/2025 15:16

The transgender identity is relevant here, but its only one part of the picture.

This has all the hallmarks of 764/O9A.

O9A (Order of the Nine Angles) is a satanic organisation established in the 1970s in England which later went international, linking up with global neo-nazis, particularly in the US, Russia and Ukraine. From the beginning it was associated with child and animal sexual abuse.

764 is a relatively new development associated with O9A, where O9A members recruit children and youth through Discord, Roblox and Telegram, they particularly target children/youth who have mental health issues (esp anorexia); are gender confused or self harming. They circulate gore and illegal porn and demand gore (often of killing animals) or extreme porn, and use threats to them and their family members to obtain it. The ideology is nihilist/accelerationist/pro-mortalist, and sometime referred to as "soup" as it has no clear political base except violence. It recruits heavily from trans youth because of the centrality of death in trans ideological tropes (dead name, trans day of remembrance, lack of reproductive ability, extreme body modification despite risks to life/health, dead son/trans daughter, trans genocide etc etc etc)

This shooter and several others in the US, fit a clear profile of 764 grooming. (heavy online presence, trans/gender-confused, use of Cyrillic alphabet, known O9A symbols used, ideological soup).

I'm in no way suggesting that this excuses his actions, what I am pointing out is that there is a far bigger threat here. This violence isnt individual and random, its co-ordinated and encouraged online. 764 is known to be active in the UK. Two young men have already been arrested in connection with it, and there are a couple of incidents in the UK (incl. Southport and Edinburgh) where I think it is at least possible that there may be a 764 connection. Associated organisations include "CVLT", "com", "Manic Murder Cult", "Terrorgram" and "Harm Nation".

Well this is terrifying. My dd had mentioned to me that she had heard about gore finding its way on to YouTube kids and it was the new "elsagate". Sounds like this

BreatheAndFocus · 28/08/2025 21:51

Here’s an example of the BBC falling over itself to affirm the identity of a cowardly, evil murderer. They link to a video where the speaker is carefully referring to “the shooter” this, “the shooter” that and not using any pronouns, but the BBC paraphrases what he said and adds a “she”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cly22nkpz8gt?post=asset%3Aaf902f91-2efd-4d3e-99be-bed6e0536cdc#post

Nice to see they’re being so thoughtful about a child killer.

Live updates: Minneapolis school attacker 'obsessed with idea of killing children', authorities say

US Acting Attorney General Joseph Thompson says the attacker "appeared to hate all of us".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cly22nkpz8gt?post=asset%3Aaf902f91-2efd-4d3e-99be-bed6e0536cdc#post

Valeriekat · 28/08/2025 22:27

TheCatsTongue · 27/08/2025 22:29

So this happens, and the first thought of some in authority is to think of protecting the trans community.

Don't forget that this also happened when religious extremists killed people. More concern in some quarters about a potential backlash than for the actual victims.

Firealarm1414 · 28/08/2025 23:03

Some of the comments coming from reddit that I've seen are absolutely horrific. Saying the kids deserved it for being rich and Christian, that they dont feel sorry for the parents who want to genocide trans people anyway so who cares, its for Palestine etc etc. Full mask off. How do people get like this? Just disgusting.

Minnesota mass shooting suspect - Tran activist.
Merrymouse · 28/08/2025 23:11

BreatheAndFocus · 28/08/2025 21:51

Here’s an example of the BBC falling over itself to affirm the identity of a cowardly, evil murderer. They link to a video where the speaker is carefully referring to “the shooter” this, “the shooter” that and not using any pronouns, but the BBC paraphrases what he said and adds a “she”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cly22nkpz8gt?post=asset%3Aaf902f91-2efd-4d3e-99be-bed6e0536cdc#post

Nice to see they’re being so thoughtful about a child killer.

I wonder how much thought was put into this decision? They know they will get complaints. There was no arrest so they can’t blame the police or the courts.

Why do they think they need to ‘respect’ this person’s identity?

They could avoid pronouns all together. I think they would still get complaints, but at the very least they wouldn’t give the impression that they think this person is owed respect.

RogueFemale · 28/08/2025 23:18

Firealarm1414 · 28/08/2025 05:03

Im the in US , I havent seen any news reports referring to this person as 'she' , which was surprising, but they also didn't mention that he identified as a woman. That part is being glossed over as if its irrelevant

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/us/minneapolis-school-shooting-suspect-gunman.html?unlocked_article_code=1.hk8.hLCq.b3IzWg7-yMN3&smid=url-share

RogueFemale · 28/08/2025 23:22

PInkyStarfish · 28/08/2025 15:15

There seems to be a PATTERN…

Uvalde Shooter - Trans
Denver Shooter - Trans
Georgia Shooter - Trans
Nashville Shooter - Trans
Colorado Shooter - Trans
Aberdeen Shooter - Trans
Minnesota Shooter - Trans
lowa Shooter - Gender Fluid
Philadelphia Shooter - Trans

Isn't the pattern just men?

Trans-identifying men are men.

mrshoho · 28/08/2025 23:33

In amongst his ramblings he apparently wrote about his regret at being trans and how he had brainwashed himself. Some on X refer to him as a Detrans.

Also accusations that his parents are culpable for his crimes. Mostly the Mother being criticised of course. Strange that 24 hours have passed and the authorities have been unable to make contact.

Minnesota mass shooting suspect - Tran activist.
lcakethereforeIam · 28/08/2025 23:39

Firealarm1414 · 28/08/2025 23:03

Some of the comments coming from reddit that I've seen are absolutely horrific. Saying the kids deserved it for being rich and Christian, that they dont feel sorry for the parents who want to genocide trans people anyway so who cares, its for Palestine etc etc. Full mask off. How do people get like this? Just disgusting.

They're monstrous. Don't they know Minnesota is a blue state, a trans sanctuary state I believe.

VoulezVouz · 29/08/2025 04:36

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/08/2025 19:38

His maleness says enough...regardless of his ethnicity. What point are you trying to make by emphasising that he is white? What difference would it have made if he was black?

It would have made a difference to demographic statistics, and the manner this was treated in social media.

RingoJuice · 29/08/2025 05:34

VoulezVouz · 29/08/2025 04:36

It would have made a difference to demographic statistics, and the manner this was treated in social media.

Did you know that 60% of school shootings in America are committed by black teens?

You don’t want to touch this one. Just stop.

VoulezVouz · 29/08/2025 06:34

RingoJuice · 29/08/2025 05:34

Did you know that 60% of school shootings in America are committed by black teens?

You don’t want to touch this one. Just stop.

Look. You’re proving my point here about the difference. Demographics are a thing, yes? You’re quoting them yourself, even if in this context the statistic isn’t relevant (the shootings you bring up are community-based and usually involve one fatality or less).

Mass shootings show clear variance sociologically and demographically. By far, the most common offenders are white men. That’s just the way it is. I don’t have an agenda here whatever you appear to think.

NextRinny · 29/08/2025 07:00

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Merrymouse · 29/08/2025 07:09

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g0lyny7ydo

"Westman's name was legally changed from Robert to Robin in 2020, with the judge writing: "Minor child identifies as a female". However, some federal officials and police have referred to Westman as a man when discussing the attack.

Chief O'Hara told reporters that news outlets should stop using the killer's name, because "the purpose of the shooter's actions was to obtain notoriety".
He added that she, "like so many other mass shooters that we have seen in this country too often and around the world, had some deranged fascination with previous mass shootings".

So with no way to blame anyone else for their decision, and very limited knowledge, the BBC still takes it upon itself to use what they assume to be the killer's preferred pronouns - why? What on earth are they thinking?

NextRinny · 29/08/2025 07:16

And the beeb is still at it with a confusing reference to the female robert and a double reference to "her" - all whilst avoiding using the word trans like the plague.

Those who always complain about being erased just scrubbed themselves from the news.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g0lyny7ydo

NextRinny · 29/08/2025 07:18

Oh snap.

Looks like i got caught out by the editor somehow. Apologies.

MycatLarry · 29/08/2025 08:43

GiraffesAtThePark · 28/08/2025 12:09

I read the BBC report and was suspicious of the killer actually being a woman. Got onto the independent article and I noticed it was written in a way to avoid pronouns. Then eventually got to the part where they said the killer was trans. It’s not great journalism. Though I think it’s slowly changing as media which in the past which would have used woman and she/her are now avoiding it at least.

Today's BBC article uses she and her pronouns ffs.

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