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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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NotBadConsidering · 27/08/2025 21:01

Those poor kids 😢

lechiffre55 · 27/08/2025 21:04

More lives thrown away.
Not a mental illness at all.

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Helleofabore · 27/08/2025 21:05

At least there are media outlets who are being upfront about the identity of this shooter.

it is heartbreaking to hear of the lost lives.

NotBadConsidering · 27/08/2025 21:19

Let’s see how trans activist Governor Walz refers to him.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/08/2025 21:21

And the BBC.

This is horrific. I thought Minnesota was one of the most trans friendly states. Those poor children.

EmpressaurusKitty · 27/08/2025 21:23

The Times has mentioned it too.
www.thetimes.com/article/01a0855a-7184-4220-9d6a-6523dc9eaf1f?shareToken=5e32a613e1846559baa6e8df5abc8d95

DramaQueenlady · 27/08/2025 21:47

It doesn't matter that he was trans. Its awful and the religion, colour or gender doesn't matter. So very sad and tragic ❤️. Usually the gun culture gets the blame!

BeLemonNow · 27/08/2025 22:00

DramaQueenlady · 27/08/2025 21:47

It doesn't matter that he was trans. Its awful and the religion, colour or gender doesn't matter. So very sad and tragic ❤️. Usually the gun culture gets the blame!

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It matters. It's an anti-Catholic hate crime committed by a trans identifying male. There is a lot of anti-Catholicism in transgender activism.

Or another way of looking at it, would you be saying "it doesn't matter" if a different minority was targeted by another?

sportio · 27/08/2025 22:07

I saw that the shooter is a trans identified male on reddit. Already on reddit they are focusing there on how this will reflect badly on poor transwomen and not a whiff of sympathy for the children murdered and injured by this man.

misscockerspaniel · 27/08/2025 22:11

DramaQueenlady · 27/08/2025 21:47

It doesn't matter that he was trans. Its awful and the religion, colour or gender doesn't matter. So very sad and tragic ❤️. Usually the gun culture gets the blame!

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It matters that news is reported correctly and factually, more so when it involves an horrific, senseless crime such as this shooting.

lechiffre55 · 27/08/2025 22:18

sportio · 27/08/2025 22:07

I saw that the shooter is a trans identified male on reddit. Already on reddit they are focusing there on how this will reflect badly on poor transwomen and not a whiff of sympathy for the children murdered and injured by this man.

There are the children who's lives have been ended for no rational reason, and then there are the families left behind who will never be able to get over the loss of their children.
Even the "lucky ones" who survive will have lost friends on a day when they know the gunman intended to murder them too. That's going to stay with you for the rest of your life. No matter how deep in gets buried it's going to pop up out of the blue at the most random of moments. Can you imagine being a parent of one of the "lucky ones"? "Mum I'm going out with friends", and inside you have to fight the worry and fear burned into your soul.
No survivor or family member of a survivor will ever be able to live their life freely again. This is a lifetime prison sentence of the mind. Guaranteed worrry stress fear and flashbacks for life.
All in service of the virtue signalling of the narcissistic usefull idiots brigade. There is nothing kind about the "be kind" brigade. They peddle misery and are too stupid to even be aware of what they do.

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BiologicalRobot · 27/08/2025 22:19

Thanks for the Times share token.

WTF does this mean?

a 23-year-old with “no significant criminal history”

wonderstuff · 27/08/2025 22:25

Minnesota is relatively liberal and left leaning, fairly affluent and well educated. But this disease in America of life being so cheap that guns are more important than people seems to be everywhere. I can not understand why they are so wedded to guns with so little restrictions. It’s not about trans, it’s about lack of gun control. And it won’t change, this will happen again and again and again.

TheCatsTongue · 27/08/2025 22:29

So this happens, and the first thought of some in authority is to think of protecting the trans community.

Firealarm1414 · 27/08/2025 23:08

The extreme end of trans activism, which this person perfectly represents, is out of control in America. This isn't the first trans crime spree in the name of their ideology and it certainly won't be the last. Like the Nashville shooter, young school children were the target. Evil.

The people on reddit would be better off getting to grips with the fact that they have allowed a large amount of mentally ill extremists to be their representatives in the public discourse, and do something about that, rather than whine about how they are the real victims of this horrific crime.

viques · 27/08/2025 23:15

TheCatsTongue · 27/08/2025 22:29

So this happens, and the first thought of some in authority is to think of protecting the trans community.

Because TIM are universally known for their kindness, their repudiation of violence, their only wish being to lead their lives quietly without upsetting or causing distress to anyone, keeping themselves to themselves and not posing any threat no matter where they are, a woman’s changing room, prison or toilet, a primary school..

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 27/08/2025 23:19

Just another day in America unfortunately.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/08/2025 23:23

Firealarm1414 · 27/08/2025 23:08

The extreme end of trans activism, which this person perfectly represents, is out of control in America. This isn't the first trans crime spree in the name of their ideology and it certainly won't be the last. Like the Nashville shooter, young school children were the target. Evil.

The people on reddit would be better off getting to grips with the fact that they have allowed a large amount of mentally ill extremists to be their representatives in the public discourse, and do something about that, rather than whine about how they are the real victims of this horrific crime.

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This, all day long.

mrshoho · 27/08/2025 23:41

This is horrific. My heart goes out to the poor little children and their families and the congregation.

I don't know what to even say about the man who did this. How can anyone make it make sense? It's terrorism and hate and obviously mental health issues. Nothing will change the gun laws though.

ForestAtTheSea · 27/08/2025 23:42

The mayor seems to have given the same speech at different events. One video from the NY Post shows him saying that this event shouldn't be used against the whole trans community
https://nypost.com/2025/08/27/us-news/minneapolis-mayor-uses-catholic-school-shooting-presser-to-speak-out-about-transgender-rights-as-gunman-robin-westman-idd-as-trans/

while this one doesn't seem to have it (or I missed it)
But the people standing beside him stand in different formation, thus I think it were two different press events.

He's a good actor / speaker, he sounds like he was the hero in a movie. It fizzles off at the end when he improvises, which in my opinion shows that the earlier "compassionate" parts are rehearsed.

Unfortunately, "thou daren't speak about anything" is not helping with finding a prevention.
There are probably two main strands here: "trans" feeling could be comorbid with a few other mental problems, and I do not mean that in a derogatory way, rather like other mental distress states which also often appear as group (for example depression & trauma). Some people in the parallel thread commented on it, too.
The other is that hormones and further medication could cause or increase mental problems and also that they may realize their trans-status doesn't solve all their problems as expected but can't admit that and redirect the anger outwards.

If the mayor wants to help and find answers, it is important to study this more and not less.

Dominoodles · 27/08/2025 23:44

Reddit is literally complaining that the killer has been misgendered and that his 'dead name' has been dragged up in the media. They're also sick with worry about how this will affect them.

Not the dead or their families. Not the wounded. Not the children who will be traumatised for the rest of their lives. Themselves.

My god it's infuriating.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/08/2025 23:47

If a troubled young person claims to be a different sex that should be the start of the diagnosis and treatment, not the end. A new name, a handful of wrong sex hormones, the women's loos are over there. Call me when you want surgery.

DrBlackbird · 27/08/2025 23:52

The assailant, identified by police as Robin Westman, killed themself as well.

The Guardian tying themselves in knots over language when families are devastated by this man’s actions. They should be ashamed.

kiki777 · 27/08/2025 23:57

I have strong criticisms of trans-identifying men, and I often find myself at odds with their presence in certain spaces. Yet, I also find the extreme reactions from some gender critical feminists of which I consider myself one to be overly performative and, at times, misdirected.

What stands out to me in the recent case of this shooter is not only his gender but also his race. It’s noteworthy how often discussions about male violence, especially in mass shootings, overlook the recurring factor of whiteness. Mainstream feminist discourse often fails to account for this. There’s a recurring pattern where the struggles of Black women are co-opted by white feminists to advance a broader agenda that doesn’t always benefit Black women themselves. Similarly, I’ve observed how white trans-identifying individuals often benefit disproportionately from the visibility and struggles of Black trans people, while the latter remain marginalized.

That said, I don’t believe this individual’s trans identity is inherently connected to the act of violence he committed. Historically, the majority of mass and school shooters in the U.S. have been cisgender, straight, white men. Framing this tragedy as a specifically “trans issue” feels disingenuous and ultimately distracts from more meaningful patterns. If we’re going to talk about gendered violence, focusing on maleness and whiteness as consistent factors is far more accurate than targeting the trans community as a whole.