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Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/08/2025 12:26

NotBadConsidering · 28/08/2025 11:56

I see that Sky have used “he” this morning, but couldn’t find a “he” in the BBC reports earlier.

The BBC Verify thread is calling him “she”. The tragic irony of expecting readers to believe the apparent facts they’re uncovering through supposed in depth analysis while presenting it with a bare-faced lie.

I think “BBC Verify” is someone’s idea of a joke. Gaslighting.

BreatheAndFocus · 28/08/2025 12:33

NotBadConsidering · 28/08/2025 11:56

I see that Sky have used “he” this morning, but couldn’t find a “he” in the BBC reports earlier.

The BBC Verify thread is calling him “she”. The tragic irony of expecting readers to believe the apparent facts they’re uncovering through supposed in depth analysis while presenting it with a bare-faced lie.

🙄 I did notice that Sky and the BBC are both using the same photo of him - the photoshopped one where he has his hair in bunches - rather than the obviously male photo.

I’m getting very pissed off with these attempts to deceive. The worst was the cat killer one. I was also pissed off to hear that guy (Frey?) going on about not picking on the trans community, with no acknowledgement that this very particular ‘trans’ culture amongst young people is often not benign. I note he didn’t bother saying not to pick on male people.

BeLemonNow · 28/08/2025 12:45

I'm adding on the

https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/transgender-neo-nazi-teenager-who-planned-doomsday-school-attack-in-edinburgh-jailed-for-six-years

For those unclear this was a biological male planning a school killing in Scotland, identifying as female.

It also concerns me that many trans youths (i.e. under up to age of 25) are taking cross sex hormones when their brains are still developing rapidly. In the UK many seem to be getting these DIY from the internet.

We don't know what the impact of that is on their psychological health. There has not been proper studies.

In comparison, doctors are very cautious at even proscribing even antidepressants to under 18s because there are links to agitation and increases in suicidal thinking.

Transgender Neo-Nazi teenager who planned ‘Doomsday’ school attack in Edinburgh jailed for six years

A teenager obsessed with mass murder who spoke of carrying out a Columbine-style school shooting in Edinburgh has been sentenced to six years in prison. Felix Winter, now 18, was described in court as having “idolised” the perpetrators of t...

https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/transgender-neo-nazi-teenager-who-planned-doomsday-school-attack-in-edinburgh-jailed-for-six-years

whatwouldafeministdo · 28/08/2025 12:55

BreatheAndFocus · 28/08/2025 12:33

🙄 I did notice that Sky and the BBC are both using the same photo of him - the photoshopped one where he has his hair in bunches - rather than the obviously male photo.

I’m getting very pissed off with these attempts to deceive. The worst was the cat killer one. I was also pissed off to hear that guy (Frey?) going on about not picking on the trans community, with no acknowledgement that this very particular ‘trans’ culture amongst young people is often not benign. I note he didn’t bother saying not to pick on male people.

I can't get over any supposed 'journalist' or news source that prioritises the identity of a deranged child murder over:

  • the feelings of the victims and their families (as presumably they want what has happened to them described accurately and the press not to fawn over the person who murdered or harmed their children)
  • facts and reality

I mean you could argue it's pretty 'hateful' to prioritise a child murderer's feelings over his victims right to have the reality of the crime against them described accurately.

TL:DR What the actual fuck is wrong with Sky and the BBC? They're just evil, evil they're putting the murderer first over his victims? WTAF?

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 13:13

BeLemonNow · 28/08/2025 12:45

I'm adding on the

https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/transgender-neo-nazi-teenager-who-planned-doomsday-school-attack-in-edinburgh-jailed-for-six-years

For those unclear this was a biological male planning a school killing in Scotland, identifying as female.

It also concerns me that many trans youths (i.e. under up to age of 25) are taking cross sex hormones when their brains are still developing rapidly. In the UK many seem to be getting these DIY from the internet.

We don't know what the impact of that is on their psychological health. There has not been proper studies.

In comparison, doctors are very cautious at even proscribing even antidepressants to under 18s because there are links to agitation and increases in suicidal thinking.

Bio female. Male identifying.

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 13:14

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyj2g5l1g2o

lcakethereforeIam · 28/08/2025 13:21

The man's dead. It's not like he's going to care about being misgendered.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 28/08/2025 13:22

All the surname use by the BBC, and they/them throughout to avoid what we clearly all know they are trying to avoid.

And then this. Lying fucking bastards. And this was by the BBC Verify assistant editor. Fucking shame on you Olga Robinson. Fucking shame.

Minnesota mass shooting suspect - Tran activist.
DeanElderberry · 28/08/2025 13:24

DeanElderberry · 28/08/2025 11:43

I do think all trans people have mental health difficulties. Imagining that your sex obliges you to conform to gender stereotypes is crazy enough, imagining that conforming to the stereotypes of the opposite sex entitles you to nebulous privileges only available to that sex is totally nutso.

And - what is wrong with recognising mental health difficulties, as common as physical health difficulties, but only possible to deal with if you recognise and acknowledge them.

Recognising reactive depression, anxiety, mild OCD means I can take measures to make sure they don't cripple me. It does people with dysphoria (whether around food or gender) no favours at all to pretend that that is a mentally healthy thing to have.

BreatheAndFocus · 28/08/2025 13:41

BeLemonNow · 28/08/2025 12:45

I'm adding on the

https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/transgender-neo-nazi-teenager-who-planned-doomsday-school-attack-in-edinburgh-jailed-for-six-years

For those unclear this was a biological male planning a school killing in Scotland, identifying as female.

It also concerns me that many trans youths (i.e. under up to age of 25) are taking cross sex hormones when their brains are still developing rapidly. In the UK many seem to be getting these DIY from the internet.

We don't know what the impact of that is on their psychological health. There has not been proper studies.

In comparison, doctors are very cautious at even proscribing even antidepressants to under 18s because there are links to agitation and increases in suicidal thinking.

‘Felix’ is clearly a girl with short hair (and MH problems). She idolised the Columbine killers. Six years wasn’t enough for her.

SammyScrounge · 28/08/2025 14:03

sportio · 27/08/2025 22:07

I saw that the shooter is a trans identified male on reddit. Already on reddit they are focusing there on how this will reflect badly on poor transwomen and not a whiff of sympathy for the children murdered and injured by this man.

Making everything about them., as usual.

CuiBon0 · 28/08/2025 14:05

wonderstuff · 27/08/2025 22:25

Minnesota is relatively liberal and left leaning, fairly affluent and well educated. But this disease in America of life being so cheap that guns are more important than people seems to be everywhere. I can not understand why they are so wedded to guns with so little restrictions. It’s not about trans, it’s about lack of gun control. And it won’t change, this will happen again and again and again.

The US would need a new Supreme Court before there are substantial restrictions on guns or ammunition. In 2008, it overturned a Washington DC law that forbade nearly all civilians from possessing handguns in the city. In 2022, it overturned a New York state law that gave government officials wide discretion to reject applications from individuals to carry a handgun in public. After that case, federal courts struck down a number of laws that had previously been accepted as constitutional, such as bans on firearms with obliterated serial numbers, firearms in youth summer camps, and firearms in the hands of domestic abusers.

If not for the Supreme Court's expansive interpretation of the Second Amendment, many (probably most) states (including Minnesota) and cities controlled by the Democrats would have far stricter gun control laws.

Grammarnut · 28/08/2025 14:10

lcakethereforeIam · 27/08/2025 21:21

And the BBC.

This is horrific. I thought Minnesota was one of the most trans friendly states. Those poor children.

Trans friendly, not child friendly. Rumour is he had anti-semitic slogans on his gun, too. Not sure if this is the case.

BeLemonNow · 28/08/2025 14:12

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 13:13

Bio female. Male identifying.

Thanks Arabella that's correct, unfortunately can't edit. My brain hasn't woken up. I called myself a TRA instead of a TERF on another thread!

NormalAuntFanny · 28/08/2025 14:16

Helleofabore · 27/08/2025 21:05

At least there are media outlets who are being upfront about the identity of this shooter.

it is heartbreaking to hear of the lost lives.

Edited

Just been looking at the guardian "a shooter", no pronouns, no mention of trans but weirdly the final paragraph has the "poor trans community" quote from the governor with no context or explanation.

A bit pathetic that they don't have the courage of their convictions anymore except where it's a positive narrative.

DworkinWasRight · 28/08/2025 14:23

The Guardian story I read referred to the shooter as "themself".

NextRinny · 28/08/2025 14:29

I don't buy the story of "they were so obviously mentally unwell, they should not be ascribed to any political beliefs."

This particular belief says there's no mental illness in their midst. This illness was there before the shooting. The community didn't call it out or rectify it or alert authorities before the shooting. If anything, it's affirm, affirm, affirm. Only one direction.

And once the illness has severe side effects, it's all: don't mention they were one of us. They were simply mentally unwell. 🙄

BeLemonNow · 28/08/2025 14:36

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 12:26

Exactly. He appears to be highly disordered and deranged. I find it surprising that the authorities are ascribing any sort of motive at this stage.

Ascribing political motives to him/his actions seems frankly absurd.

I don't agree. I think it's absurd to be claiming that his actions were caused by mental illness. There's no evidence of psychosis and evidence that he knew what he was doing was wrong.

Evidently being angry, depressed and suicidal was relevant but they didn't cause him to kill. As far as we are aware he had free will.

As I said the FBI are currently investigating this as a hate crime. I also feel motive is different from motivation. It's relevant what he was reading, thinking and identifying with at the time.

lcakethereforeIam · 28/08/2025 14:48

Report in the Telegraph

https://archive.ph/l3ESF

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/08/27/robin-westman-profile-guns/

No pussyfooting around pronouns.

He seems to have given careful consideration as to the targets that would create the most disgust. I'm wondering if he was actually deliberately trying to make tw look bad.

ForestAtTheSea · 28/08/2025 15:02

GiraffesAtThePark · 28/08/2025 12:09

I read the BBC report and was suspicious of the killer actually being a woman. Got onto the independent article and I noticed it was written in a way to avoid pronouns. Then eventually got to the part where they said the killer was trans. It’s not great journalism. Though I think it’s slowly changing as media which in the past which would have used woman and she/her are now avoiding it at least.

Some of the German media refer to him as man and only mention at the end that he was trans, too. Public media:
https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/amerika/usa-minnesota-schuesse-schule-trump-102.html

It seems they go by the FBI press release which naturally would use the correct sex pronouns. So this medium is going on a case-by-case basis, because they acted differently in the past. Probably as there is no pity to generate and there is no way to disentangle the shooter and the crime, it doesn't matter to them as much or they even prefer it as it also skews the statistics to make him just a regular guy.

Left wing TAZ uses female pronouns and only at the end reveals that this is a trans person.
https://taz.de/Angriff-auf-Kirche-in-Minneapolis/!6109801/
The journalists add an explanatory note at the end of the text to say that they respect the pronouns. They can't really get out of the hole they've dug themselves into now (always using gender pronouns) but it's annoying to see this crime attributed to a woman and to falsify statistics.

PInkyStarfish · 28/08/2025 15:15

There seems to be a PATTERN…

Uvalde Shooter - Trans
Denver Shooter - Trans
Georgia Shooter - Trans
Nashville Shooter - Trans
Colorado Shooter - Trans
Aberdeen Shooter - Trans
Minnesota Shooter - Trans
lowa Shooter - Gender Fluid
Philadelphia Shooter - Trans

willowtree99 · 28/08/2025 15:16

The transgender identity is relevant here, but its only one part of the picture.

This has all the hallmarks of 764/O9A.

O9A (Order of the Nine Angles) is a satanic organisation established in the 1970s in England which later went international, linking up with global neo-nazis, particularly in the US, Russia and Ukraine. From the beginning it was associated with child and animal sexual abuse.

764 is a relatively new development associated with O9A, where O9A members recruit children and youth through Discord, Roblox and Telegram, they particularly target children/youth who have mental health issues (esp anorexia); are gender confused or self harming. They circulate gore and illegal porn and demand gore (often of killing animals) or extreme porn, and use threats to them and their family members to obtain it. The ideology is nihilist/accelerationist/pro-mortalist, and sometime referred to as "soup" as it has no clear political base except violence. It recruits heavily from trans youth because of the centrality of death in trans ideological tropes (dead name, trans day of remembrance, lack of reproductive ability, extreme body modification despite risks to life/health, dead son/trans daughter, trans genocide etc etc etc)

This shooter and several others in the US, fit a clear profile of 764 grooming. (heavy online presence, trans/gender-confused, use of Cyrillic alphabet, known O9A symbols used, ideological soup).

I'm in no way suggesting that this excuses his actions, what I am pointing out is that there is a far bigger threat here. This violence isnt individual and random, its co-ordinated and encouraged online. 764 is known to be active in the UK. Two young men have already been arrested in connection with it, and there are a couple of incidents in the UK (incl. Southport and Edinburgh) where I think it is at least possible that there may be a 764 connection. Associated organisations include "CVLT", "com", "Manic Murder Cult", "Terrorgram" and "Harm Nation".

Abhannmor · 28/08/2025 15:26

lechiffre55 · 27/08/2025 22:18

There are the children who's lives have been ended for no rational reason, and then there are the families left behind who will never be able to get over the loss of their children.
Even the "lucky ones" who survive will have lost friends on a day when they know the gunman intended to murder them too. That's going to stay with you for the rest of your life. No matter how deep in gets buried it's going to pop up out of the blue at the most random of moments. Can you imagine being a parent of one of the "lucky ones"? "Mum I'm going out with friends", and inside you have to fight the worry and fear burned into your soul.
No survivor or family member of a survivor will ever be able to live their life freely again. This is a lifetime prison sentence of the mind. Guaranteed worrry stress fear and flashbacks for life.
All in service of the virtue signalling of the narcissistic usefull idiots brigade. There is nothing kind about the "be kind" brigade. They peddle misery and are too stupid to even be aware of what they do.

Great post . Very well summed up.

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 15:34

BeLemonNow · 28/08/2025 14:36

I don't agree. I think it's absurd to be claiming that his actions were caused by mental illness. There's no evidence of psychosis and evidence that he knew what he was doing was wrong.

Evidently being angry, depressed and suicidal was relevant but they didn't cause him to kill. As far as we are aware he had free will.

As I said the FBI are currently investigating this as a hate crime. I also feel motive is different from motivation. It's relevant what he was reading, thinking and identifying with at the time.

Assertions either way would need a professional assessment, is what I mean.

Easyozy · 28/08/2025 16:01

BeLemonNow · 28/08/2025 12:45

I'm adding on the

https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/transgender-neo-nazi-teenager-who-planned-doomsday-school-attack-in-edinburgh-jailed-for-six-years

For those unclear this was a biological male planning a school killing in Scotland, identifying as female.

It also concerns me that many trans youths (i.e. under up to age of 25) are taking cross sex hormones when their brains are still developing rapidly. In the UK many seem to be getting these DIY from the internet.

We don't know what the impact of that is on their psychological health. There has not been proper studies.

In comparison, doctors are very cautious at even proscribing even antidepressants to under 18s because there are links to agitation and increases in suicidal thinking.

No Felix winter is a biological female identifying as male.

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