Grayson Perry..

[CurlewKate]

I’ve always had a lot of time for Grayson Perry- but I saw a couple of pictures on a thread, bizarrely enough, about Sewing Bee,of him wearing what appeared to be an erect dildo at a charity event. While I am prepared to believe anything about the behaviour of men, this does seem distinctly out of character. Is there a background story I need to know, or do I have to add him to my list of shits

Creepy as fuck.

For the last time, respectfully, I did not and was not "blaming" his wife. I also did not suggest she or anyone else I mentioned (because unlike you infer I didn't only mention his wife) should suggest he wear 'mens' clothes - which would have removed any suggestion of his fetish completely.
And I said he should have used his own conscience - with it being a children's charity event.

You’ve not paid much attention then. That photo has been widely circulated for a long time

He's not a nice guy who just made a mistake and who should have been stopped by his wife and agent. Take off your rose tinted spectacles, if it was Saville in that photo dressed like that you'd get it straight away.

Wow! I was not aware of this. What a dodgy guy. He did win the turner prize for his ceramics depicting sexual abuse and phallic imagery so I suppose these outfits are along a theme. Totally inappropriate though.

I'm sure I listened to a Reith lecture he did years ago and he said he dressed they way he did at art shows to stand out and it there was nothing worse than an artist blending into the background at their own show: well that was obviously untrue and playing to his audience.

‘artists’ , the rich and posh really do seem to get away with a lot more than the rest of us plebs.

I’m so fed up of the sewing bee and they were wrong to have a challenge linked to him. The BBC have learned nothing from the past and it’s quite repulsive.
its getting so tiresome Esme always fawning over the sexy outfits. Patrick is just embarrassing.

I saw some suits of armour once - can't remember where, would've been a museum or a stately home -with massive codpieces. They looked like enormous metal penises. I found them ridiculous as they were clearly hugely exaggerated, but the intention was said to be to protect the groin area rather than to show off. Hmmm

Surely a man who dresses as a child for a sexual thrill - (see also Stephonknee, who actually has sex dressed up as a child) is more properly described as an autopaedophile?
I think maybe it's time this became a word. Let's make it absolutely clear what's going on here. ADP
Fully expect to be deleted for this one. Oh well

I could totally see Henry VIII wearing a large cock over his doublet and hose actually. Just not for his official portraits maybe.

@inkymoose @MistyGreenAndBlue HenryVIII portraits do show large codpieces and they were absolutely about showing off and virility. Its protection in armour but fashion in normal clothes. There is also a theory about covering and holding in place all the bandages/poultices used for treating syphilis.

APP not ADP. Too late to edit.
And, it turns out it IS a term describing exactly what these creepy men in nappies and/or children's clothes are doing.

Grayson Perry has always made my skin crawl, like Jimmy Savile in his creepy shorts, and I felt bad about not liking a ‘national treasure’. Reading other women’s comments here is a relief.

I used to admire men wearing dresses and make-up, because I thought they were bravely subverting restrictive stereotypes. (Actually, I now realise I admired the idea of it, rather than the creepy reality. And the trans movement has shown us it’s not in the least about subverting stereotypes but reinforcing them.)

But I could never bear to look at Perry. Exploring that feeling now brings up anxiety and anger at a man exposing the sexualised image of a little girl, encouraging other men to see children through that pornographic lens. It enrages me that he has made that seem acceptable. I remember very clearly the awful helplessness of being a child. At least thank god I was only molested or flashed at by weird strangers, and nobody thought that was ok.

I don’t pity Grayson Perry or any of them, They are adults, responsible for their own behaviour and the harm it can do.

in defence of the Bee. Clearly not everyone knows all the details of Perry's proclivities, and not everyone is aware of the phallus and the circs of that.

But. To be fair to the Bee, Perry is a very very prominent member of the UK art scene. And in terms of actual sewing skills, that dress had it all. Gathering for a ruffle, gathering for a waist, the rather ingenious way the puffed sleeve is created, fitting a collar properly. And if you google him and look through images, you don't find that dildo pic.

ETA: i mean for this particular ep of The Bee which is Art Week

Nah I disagree. The dress is fecking awful; if a woman wore it you’d think she was in some sort of cult.

the educated producers and editors of sewing bee would know of his history and at least why he won the turner prize. If they don’t, it really is their job and they shouldn’t be employed.

He's vile, and his enabler wife is a total weirdo.

To be fair to the bee, it’s low brow crafting entertainment.
An introduction to sewing but not representative of most people who sew as a hobby (just visit knitting and stitching shows or attend any local sewing classes) and doesn’t really educate: techniques are mentioned but not gone into in any detail for example.

Patrick is not a trainer tailor he bought a saville row tailors: fair play to him he’s made a brand out of it. His community clothing while admiral in its ethos have quite awful and boring styles (I wonder what risqué Esme thinks).

I shouldn’t be surprised, BBC is obsessed drag and they managed to shoehorn that into the sewing bee, again.

I have some time for his art (some of it) and I've sometimes appreciated how he can be honest in a way that cuts through the navel-gazing pretentious nonsense of a lot of the art and culture world.

But his sexual fetish stuff and his total lack of empathy for those he forces it on are revolting and actually he is benefitting from the same art world pretentiousness and departure from reality, by not being told where to get off.

Re his wife I don't know how anyone can stay married to him.

Perry being honest about being an AGP, the sexualised little girl’s dresses and obvious dildos are grim. Him being honest about it seems to mean that some people can wave it away as ‘he’s an artist’.

I was pleased to hear that Gill’s blue plaque in Chichester has been removed.

The children’s cancer charity event was in 2007.

Yup

Yes - if a man was wearing dresses to be gender non-conforming, or just because that’s what he wanted to wear, in the same way as women wear trousers, there would be nothing sexual about it and no involvement of a symbol of sexual arousal sticking out of it. It’s not about gender nonconformity, it’s about a man and his penis prioritising themselves, same old same old.

If one knew both of them for many years, and had a pretty acute overview of the way things have panned out, could that be a valid reason to criticize her ? And him of course

If one knew both of them for many years, and had a pretty acute overview of the way things have panned out, could that be a valid reason to criticize her ? And him of course

No.
I don't see that it is fair or right to criticise the wife based on how the husband behaves.

The acronym AGP is just perfect in more ways than one for the Artist Grayson Perry 🤔