What would you actually do if you saw a transperson in the wrong toilet/changing room for their sex?

[FattyMcFattyArse]

I've been pondering this ever since the FWS decision and since I saw an obviously male transperson using the ladies at a service station. I initially froze and wanted to say something, but all my Britishness and female social conditioning made me just mutter under my breath and walk away in disgust.

What would you do?

What have you done?

What is the right thing to do?

They don't belong there, according to the law.

I would wait until he was out to get in myself. I always choose self-preservation, especially since I became a mother.

What a vile human being he is. Massive "fuck you" to women whose rights and boundaries he is trampling over. And it's deliberate. He and other men who use women only facilities are goading for a fight. They want women to challenge them so they can shout "bigot", "terf" and "you are literally killing transpeople", "we have a right to exist" and other tired old tropes.

Men like this get a massive kick out of hating and hurting women (mentally and emotionally if not physically). Power games indeed.

No need. They're the same thing.

Clearly 'you can't always tell' given harassment of CIS women who don't appear 'sufficiently feminine' is on the rise as a consequence of anti trans hysteria. Seems the private spaces for women cause has been more counterproductive to their safety.

Therefore unless a person is being abusive might be more productive to mind one's own stereotypes.

And they wonder why feminists are so angry and are fighting back! They really wonder why.

That male sitting like that (and females never pose on a public toilet and take a selfie like that) with the male aggression is showing his spite and vindictiveness towards women and girls. It's a triumphant 'look at me! and fuck you women!!' pose. I ask anyone to go and study it. That, is male pattern aggression. It is a male basically marking his territory. And doing so with a smug viciousness. No actual woman does that in a public toilet.

Do you see it now? It is male pattern behaviour. It is male pattern aggression. And it's exactly why we don't want them in our spaces. That level of entitlement and smug viciousness and spitefulness shows these males are dangerous narcissistic sociopaths. And are the exact males we want to keep out.

Strange how these males we are asked to feel sorry for show a distinct lack of sensitivity or compassion to the female sex. It's all one way. They enjoy winding up females and upsetting and distressing us. And you really think we should put aside our distress for scum like this? Why? They centre themselves first and never consider our distress in fact they up the ante and pose like that with a smug viciousness. These are NOT 'vulnerable' males. They are heartless, vicious and spiteful aggressors who show male pattern aggression and behaviour.

Do you see it now?

What a lack of critical thinking you display! @Howseitgoin There is no indication that females are being questioned in the ladies any more than there has been, despite the lies and made up stories from the anti women brigade. Oh, and special acknowledgement to you as you are the second anti-woman/pro-trans person to use the misogynistic term 'hysteria'. Yeah, must be our ovaries. Could you misogynists be original?

Secondly, in the vanishingly rare cases it happens, do you think it could be because women and girls are now HYPERVIGILENT to males suddenly entering our spaces? How about you blame the males for violating our boundaries and spaces, causing women to be on high alert and causing this situation in the first place, instead of blaming females for our natural response and alertness? But of course, gaslighting women for our natural response to threat is what misogynists do best.

I provided a link with evidence, perhaps you missed it?

As for the term 'hysteria', that you assume it only can invoked against women smells like both hysteria & misandry.

I use the term 'hysteria' accurately given the 'existential threat' that anti trans sentiment has been incessantly proclaimed as…above all other women's issues including domestic & sexual violence not to mention women's mental health.

It's one thing to be concerned & have legitimate questions that need addressing & quite another to effectively media blockade more pressing women's issues with one's that can & have been managed.

And we have a two for two. Accuse women of 'misandry'. Thank you though for proving that this is about Mens Rights Activism, and never was about trans or trans rights.

I've seen those kinds of 'links' before. And two things; firstly it ignores WHY females are on HIGH ALERT. As I said, it BLAMES women for our natural response. It gaslights us for our reaction and does not understand WHY we are hypervigilant. It is classic VICTIM BLAMING.
Secondly, these sorts of 'stories' have been popping up everywhere suddenly, post SC ruling, in a well coordinated agenda, when the stories didn't exist pre-SC. If you examine the social media of these people coming forward with their 'stories', you will see they have a history of trans activism.

So their 'stories' can be taken with a grain of salt.

And again, I reiterate, since you missed it the first time in my last post - it ignores WHY females are on HIGH ALERT. As I said, it BLAMES women for our natural response. It gaslights us for our reaction and does not understand WHY we are hypervigilant. It is classic VICTIM BLAMING.
Putting males in female spaces, then blaming females for understandably being hypervigilant, is NOT the 'argument' you think it is. All it is, is proof of the damage allowing males in, in the first place, the distress and trauma - it has caused.

Protecting womens rights is not 'anti trans', and you know it. Putting males in female spaces where RAPE SURVIVORS LIKE ME are, is anti-women.

And we don't need anyone explaining to us what our priorities should be. Providing a safe male free female only space for safety, privacy and dignity is no greater priority than that, in order that 50% of the population don't self exclude from society, which is the greatest consequence of all.

AGAIN:

As for the term 'hysteria', that you assume it only can invoked against women smells like both hysteria & misandry.

Ummm.... the term 'hysteria' literally refers to OVARIES. It's where the term Hysterectomy comes from. In the dark ages women were said to go 'crazy' at that time of month and during the change of life, and a Hysterectomy was said to 'cure' them. It is literally a term that only refers to females. Do males have ovaries? Anyone who invokes the term against men is medically, socially and historically illiterate. Google the history behind the word. It does not refer to males in any way shape or form. It is solely a term used against the female sex.

You realise that 'natural responses' ie emotional responses are what stereotypically delegitimised women as rational beings & therefore 'less than men' historically? Oh wait…

There's a reason why patriarchal far right men are aligned with gender criticals & claiming the devil made me do it isn't going to save you from their intentions.

Two for two? As far as claiming police reports by women are false, we've all seen that misogynistic film before…

Er.... NO. That is you using male stereotypes.

Look up responses to sexual trauma. Female responses to trauma are NATURAL!! Female responses to threat are NATURAL!!

Telling women, the oppressed sex class, the vulnerable sex class, that we are wrong to be wary of the oppressor predator sex is pure gaslighting and ignores the reality of female vulnerability and oppression. The male sex rapes us, they murder us at the rate of 3 women per week. We are rightly fearful of men. That fear is justified.

Trauma from rape and sexual assault at the hands of men is justified. If the male sex stopped being rapey, abusers and wife beaters and murderers maybe our natural responses would change. But that situation won't change any time soon. In fact, male violence against females is now far worse than it ever has been. Female spaces are needed now more than any other time in history.

Not understanding the trauma that rape survivors go through, and Domestic Violence victims go through, is Toxic Masculinity. Trying gaslight and victim-blame women and girls for their innate, instinctual and natural response to a male in their intimate safe space is from the sexual predator's playbook. Only someone with nefarious intent would try to gaslight women and girls that our natural reaction to males and our response to trauma and sexual violence is wrong.

Putting a fox in the hen house then blaming the hens for naturally being scared is a classic sign of an abuser.

but both of those groups are men. Why should we let one group in and not the other? What is the magic formula that makes one safe and one not? How can a man “be a woman in his life”?

So you’re concerned with women’s safety and with women’s mental health. How does allowing males into female single sex spaces help with either of these? Can you name one benefit to women of allowing males into their single sex spaces? For some reason no one advocating for the inclusion of men has managed to do so. Maybe you’ll be the one?

So, if we reject having males in our toilets, some women will be collateral damage to the extent of being wrongly ejected, sometimes with a degree of unnecessary force. (At any rate in America; they seem to be more heavy-handed there. The Vox article had no UK examples.)

Or, if we accept having males in our toilets, some women will be collateral damage to the extent of suffering voyeurism, indecent exposure and sexual assaults up to and including rape, and possibly murder.

Looked at in cold blood, it's a no-brainer. Keep out the men. The collateral damage will be less severe.

And if anyone is disposed to argue that "men who are up to no good will come in anyway", well in that case the transwomen might as well stay in the gents. They'll probably be safer, since a man in the gents may just want to pee but a man in the ladies is definitely a bad 'un.

Happened to me recently.There were two, both ignored me, too busy sorting their hair & make up.

Don't they know that there's mirrors in the mens toilets?

As much as it's convenient, definitions aren't limited by their etymology. They are dependent on social usage which is influenced by culture. Hence 'chair' can mean something to sit on or 'chair' as in 'chair person'.

A 'natural response' is also violence. As in rape whenever one gets a 'natural urge'.

There's this thing called a 'fallacy'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy

Not when that definition is based on HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL OPPRESSION.

Way to show you cannot even understand random articles you throw out.

A response to trauma is not an 'urge'.

Your hatred of rape survivors, DV survivors and women and girls is obvious. Quit pretending you care about 'trans' people. This has nothing even remotely to do with 'trans'. This is simply misogyny hiding behind trans to give their misogyny a veneer of respectability. You don't care in the slightest about trans. That's a fact. They are a weapon for you to subjugate and oppress women.

Only a predator seeks to remove female hard won sex-based rights, spaces and safeguarding and put fully intact males with penis and testicles in with women and girls. You have to be an extremely sick individual to argue for that and then go on to call a rape survivor's trauma as an 'urge'. This reads more like a male's porn-soaked predatorial fantasy to me.

If you think all those people are telling the truth then I have a bridge to sell you.

No one is suggesting women shouldn't be wary of being alone with men because they are more sexually violent on average. What's questionable is the circumstances of which this is a legitimate concern.

You don't seem to understand the necessary condition of a successful sexual assault & it's not males identifying as females but males being ALONE with females.

There's no evidence of increased violence from shared bathrooms with trans people in fact the evidence suggests the opposite probably because:
A. Bathrooms are usually busy places.
B. with locked cubicles
C. Trans women being of a more feminine temperament are less inclined to violence.

Our whole justice system is predicated on preventative harm so harm needs to be a realistic occurrence which it isn't in the case of bathrooms BUT IS in the workplace.

And To justify separating bathrooms on the basis of male violence is inconsistent with how work place arrangements work.

I think it's a story that's been lifted straight from.the US, with its very different context, culture, and history, and thats why it just doesn't really work here in the UK.

UK trans activists are apparently all out of ideas, because this is one of the least effective and convincing ones i've seen yet.

Not often you hear women talk about 'successful' sexual assaults, is it.