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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

World boxing introduces mandated testing

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impossibletoday · 20/08/2025 17:19

https://x.com/RealWorldBoxing/status/1958144619079770572?t=qA9DJpJw1sKHL9tVlI32Gg&s=19

Mandatory.........

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impossibletoday · 20/08/2025 17:20

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World boxing introduces mandated testing
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deadpan · 20/08/2025 17:26

Stupid that they didn't already do it. They could do with doing it in the male category too, surely it isn't safe for trans men to compete against men.

Apollo441 · 20/08/2025 17:26

This will allow Imane Khelif to finally prove that they are a woman.....oh wait...

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 18:07

Woo hoo! At last!

I suspect that there will be quite a few 'retirements' announced across the world over the coming months.

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 18:07

I wonder if the boxing will be back into the Olympics now. Yes... it will be. I just checked

Weneedmoreheretics · 20/08/2025 18:49

Can’t wait I’m so exciting lol

TheKeatingFive · 20/08/2025 18:53

This is great news. Genuine gains are being made, thankfully

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 20/08/2025 20:48

I’m confused, I thought they had announced this just beside the Eindhoven cup? What’s different here?

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 23:12

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 20/08/2025 20:48

I’m confused, I thought they had announced this just beside the Eindhoven cup? What’s different here?

I think the issue was that they said they were implementing it, and that if Khelif competed would have to do a test. But I don’t recall the official policy being released. This is the official policy being released.

Here is the announcement from
the end of May 2025.

archive.is/xTnAn

World Boxing will introduce mandatory sex testing, to determine the eligibility of male and female athletes that want to take part in its competitions. The introduction of mandatory testing will be part of a new policy on “Sex, Age and Weight” to ensure the safety of all participants and deliver a competitive level playing field for men and women.

The policy is in the final stages of development and has been crafted by a specially convened Working Group of the World Boxing Medical and Anti-Doping Committee, which has examined data and medical evidence from an extensive range of sources and consulted widely with other sports and experts across the world.

So, this is the delivery of that policy.

Lovelyview · 21/08/2025 07:34

It's been a ridiculous saga but at least World Boxing got there in the end.

Igmum · 21/08/2025 07:56

Good

1apenny2apenny · 21/08/2025 08:00

So if Khellif doesn’t compete will he be stopped of other medals? Surely even if you don’t want to compete you would want to prove you deserved those wins?

TheKeatingFive · 21/08/2025 08:19

1apenny2apenny · 21/08/2025 08:00

So if Khellif doesn’t compete will he be stopped of other medals? Surely even if you don’t want to compete you would want to prove you deserved those wins?

I don't think they'll go there

Helleofabore · 21/08/2025 08:28

The IOC will not undo medals previously given because of this 25 years of injustice. Because it was their policy that legally allowed these male people access.

I do hope that the IOC will eventually formulate policy to never allow this to happen again though. It has been a 25+ year social justice experiment which again has failed because female people were considered acceptable collateral to provide opportunities for a group of male people that may have experienced adversity in life.

MarieDeGournay · 21/08/2025 10:07

'But it's complicated.... sex is a spectrum... gender ID... we need more guidance.... there is no clarity.... confusion...'

World Boxing obviously didn't get the 'it's sooooo complicated and unclear' memo:

Under the policy, World Boxing will operate two categories as determined by sex: a men’s category and a women’s category. To be eligible for the men’s category, a competitor must be male at birth. To be eligible for the women’s category, a competitor must be female at birth.
World Boxing confirms mandatory sex testing will apply in the female category at the inaugural World Boxing Championships 2025 - World Boxing

There, that wasn't complicated at all, was it?😁

RedToothBrush · 21/08/2025 10:08

MarieDeGournay · 21/08/2025 10:07

'But it's complicated.... sex is a spectrum... gender ID... we need more guidance.... there is no clarity.... confusion...'

World Boxing obviously didn't get the 'it's sooooo complicated and unclear' memo:

Under the policy, World Boxing will operate two categories as determined by sex: a men’s category and a women’s category. To be eligible for the men’s category, a competitor must be male at birth. To be eligible for the women’s category, a competitor must be female at birth.
World Boxing confirms mandatory sex testing will apply in the female category at the inaugural World Boxing Championships 2025 - World Boxing

There, that wasn't complicated at all, was it?😁

Funny that.

Imperativvv · 21/08/2025 10:12

TheKeatingFive · 21/08/2025 08:19

I don't think they'll go there

Same. IK competed under the rules at the time, and retrospective amending is much harder. I think realistically the best we can hope for is it not happening again.

MarieDeGournay · 21/08/2025 10:43

World Boxing on boxers with DSDs, like Khelif:
Where test results for boxers that want to compete in the female category reveal Y chromosome genetic material and a potential Difference of Sexual Development (DSD), the initial screenings will be referred to World Boxing’s expert medical panel for genetic screening, hormonal profiles, anatomical examination or other valuation of endocrine profiles by medical specialists. The policy includes an appeals process, and support will be offered to any boxers that provide an adverse test result.

I don't know how that would work in practice, and I can see objections that it is demeaning, a return to the bad old days of parading naked before a medical panel etc etc., but at least they've addressed the issue directly, and distinguished it clearly from the separate issue of transgender athletes.

SirBasil · 21/08/2025 10:45

Helleofabore · 20/08/2025 18:07

Woo hoo! At last!

I suspect that there will be quite a few 'retirements' announced across the world over the coming months.

saw a tweet yesterday suggesting that Khalif is hanging up his gloves.

Hmmm. I wonder why.

SirBasil · 21/08/2025 10:47

MarieDeGournay · 21/08/2025 10:43

World Boxing on boxers with DSDs, like Khelif:
Where test results for boxers that want to compete in the female category reveal Y chromosome genetic material and a potential Difference of Sexual Development (DSD), the initial screenings will be referred to World Boxing’s expert medical panel for genetic screening, hormonal profiles, anatomical examination or other valuation of endocrine profiles by medical specialists. The policy includes an appeals process, and support will be offered to any boxers that provide an adverse test result.

I don't know how that would work in practice, and I can see objections that it is demeaning, a return to the bad old days of parading naked before a medical panel etc etc., but at least they've addressed the issue directly, and distinguished it clearly from the separate issue of transgender athletes.

it's a bloody cheek swab. I don't think there has ever been any "parading naked" malarkey.

They still have to pee into a cup in front of a witness for the drug testing tho.

Imperativvv · 21/08/2025 10:51

Yes, there's no way any sex testing would be more physically invasive than drug testing. The guidance says the tester has to be able to see the urine leave the body.

MarieDeGournay · 21/08/2025 13:59

SirBasil · 21/08/2025 10:47

it's a bloody cheek swab. I don't think there has ever been any "parading naked" malarkey.

They still have to pee into a cup in front of a witness for the drug testing tho.

I think you are referring to the basic universal test; what I quoted was the procedure in the case of someone with an unclear result because of having a DSD.

The procedure includes
' expert medical panel for genetic screening, hormonal profiles, anatomical examination or other valuation of endocrine profiles by medical specialists.'

That's what I think might get the 'parading naked' malarkey.

SidewaysOtter · 21/08/2025 14:19

Good.

Not only does this mean a fair sport, but it hopefully means that the person who wittered on to me that "I heard she [where she meant Imane Khelif, and with particular emphasis on 'correct' pronouns] has a vagina" will now shut the fuck up. Unless he's keeping it in a drawer somewhere, maybe alongside Willyboy's cervix.

SirBasil · 21/08/2025 14:31

MarieDeGournay · 21/08/2025 13:59

I think you are referring to the basic universal test; what I quoted was the procedure in the case of someone with an unclear result because of having a DSD.

The procedure includes
' expert medical panel for genetic screening, hormonal profiles, anatomical examination or other valuation of endocrine profiles by medical specialists.'

That's what I think might get the 'parading naked' malarkey.

seriously, and honestly: how many people will this apply to as a percentage of the people undergoing tests?

how many of that group won'T know about this?

it won't be in front of a room full of people and "drop your pants so we can all have a look"

Or would you prefer that women's sports remain a free-for-all?

I get it. I feel for anyone who will feel outed or hard done by in all this. but fuck me, 51% of the population are women. Why why why should ALL women stand aside for a very small number of people?

And if you think that is mean? Thank the trans lobby.

Nimnuan · 21/08/2025 14:41

Obviously men need to be kept out of women's sport, whatever gender they decide they are, but it's a difficult situation for that tiny minority of people whose sex is genuinely ambiguous.
If you were born with a vulva and developed breasts as a teenager, to me you're a woman with a woman's experience of the world. You've been treated as a girl/woman. You wouldn't necessarily know about your chromosomes unless you had a DNA test, you might just think you're particularly muscular with unexplained infertility.

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