World boxing introduces mandated testing

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https://x.com/RealWorldBoxing/status/1958144619079770572?t=qA9DJpJw1sKHL9tVlI32Gg&s=19

Mandatory.........

Thus if Algeria say he's a woman, they will have to intervene and do third party testing and deal with whatever tantrum Algeria come up with.

but why will they? if they say "we've introduced cheek-swabs, which are the responsibility of national organisations" what is the mechanism for saying "liar liar pants on fire!"?

Insurance liability.

Boycotts from other countries (which WILL happen).

Do we know what the procedural requirements for the tests will be? Ie are there approved providers, checking processes.

Tbh I expect a full Algerian tantrum and boycott to protect their own reputation and Khelif because they are too proud to admit the true. This enables Khelif to not retire at this point and to be the face of a persecuted woman. It's "racism" you see. It fuels nationalistic feeling and that doesn't hurt the Algerian governments interests.

Khelif then gets to 'retire' later as a martyr and national hero whilst no one else is held accountable for the exploitation and the government benefits from feeding on anti-western propaganda.

WB will do double-checking of certification as a 'right/duty', which I suppose will be random, but also where there is a challenge to the declared results. So if, for example, IK is certified as female by the Algerian National Federation, I expect the test would be repeated by WB.

4.1.3 World Boxing reserves the right/duty to do genetic sex screening on new or existing athlete samples to confirm certification.

4.1.4 National Federations are required to verify the sex certification of each member athlete. A false certification of sex provided by an athlete’s National Federation shall result in sanctions to the National Federation, which may include up to a loss of eligibility of athletes of the federation to compete in World Boxing owned or sanctioned events and events administered by World Boxing..
World-Boxing-Sex-Eligibility-PolicyFINAL20Aug25.pdf

WB's policy on transgender participation in boxing is very clear:

6.1 World Boxing recognizes that athletes who identify as transgender may wish to compete in Boxing in a classification consistent with their gender identity. World Boxing respects the dignity of all individuals, including athletes who identify as transgender.....to ensure safety, competitive fairness, and equal treatment for all athletes, it is essential that strict sex based categories determined by sex at birth be maintained and enforced.

6.2 Boxers who identify as transgender are welcome to compete in the category of their birth sex in the sport of Olympic-style boxing under the same conditions applicable to all athletes in that sex, age, and weight category. ...

The women's boxing competition at the Paris Olympics brought angry tears to my eyes. I can't have been the only one. The silver lining appears to have been that sufficient numbers of people felt the same to lead to this change. Thank fuck for a return to common sense and sex based protection in a contact sport. More of this please.

Thus if Algeria say he's a woman, they will have to intervene and do third party testing and deal with whatever tantrum Algeria come up with.

Good to hear they wouldn't actually be purely going on what the local federations say. Will be interesting to see what happens next. Like you say iamnotalemming, angry that this was not dealt with before Paris and women were put at risk.

It not about a vulva. These males know they are not female @Nimnuan when they don't go through female puberty and don't get their menstrual periods. If you have no ovaries or uterus, but you have internal testicles and prostate, you are MALE. Regardless of if you have breasts and a vulva that leads to no where. Imane Khelif went through male puberty with his testicles (even if internal) and prostate. His height and size also attest to this.

There is no “genuinely ambiguous”. DSD in a man means that when he’s born his testicles are internal (though producing male grade testosterone), his penis is so underdeveloped that in some countries they think it’s kinder to declare the baby as female. By puberty the testes drop. Men can of course produce breast tissue but none of these things make them female.

Very rare, but it's possible to be genetically male but both with a vulva/vagina. As others have said, someone competing at world boxing level is going to be aware of their own situation.

From the Cleveland clinic website: Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS): Your body doesn’t respond to androgens at all. Your external genitals appear female, but you don’t have female sex organs (no ovaries, fallopian tubes or uterus). People with CAIS are often raised as girls with a female gender identity. Approximately 1 in 20,000 genetically male infants are born with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome.

Someone with CAIS is not going to be competing in sport at any kind of high level, due to the lack of androgenising testosterone on their body.

So practically, this isn't an issue.

Oh really? Thanks for saying so, in that case I've been completely misinformed! I thought this was likely to be the case for people like Khelif/Semenya. I'll have to do a bit more reading before I make any more comments.

The musculature on these individuals (and other male markers) speaks to the the DSD they have as being 5-ARD. In individuals with 5ARD they go though the masculinising effects of a male puberty as they can respond to androgens. People with CAIS can’t and so don’t have the male advantage.

We know that Semenya has 5ARD. It is highly likely that Khelif also has 5ARD, however this has not been confirmed.

The idea that CAIS has anything to do with these two specific althletes is just incorrect.

I'm sure I did read somewhere about CAIS athletes (who, remember, cannot access testosterone at all) competing in pole volt in the women's category. Unfortunately, I cannot find where I read it so I can't confirm what level this was. The extra height would be an advantage in such an event.

It is important to remember that each DSD has individual impacts on the body. While CAIS can be argued to be an exception where competing in the female category is OK. The same cannot be said for the closely related PAIS (where testosterone can be used by the body), or any other male DSD where testosterone can be used, such as 5ARD.

If you have not read this, it is a good place to begin.

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/read/sex-development-charts

Plus this one.

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/read/what-are-sexes

CAIS is over represented at Olympic level among athletes in the women’s competition. Well, it was the last time screening was done.

Do you understand that a BIOLOGICAL WOMAN can have high natural levels of testosterone? Do you understand that throughout millennia people have competed in sports that take advantage of their natural advantages in life.
The Harlem Globetrotters are all exceedingly tall.
Runners often have a very long stride.

Boxers utilise their high testosterone.

Constant Hate rots you from the inside, you know?

Thanks!

High natural levels of testosterone in the male range due to being a cryptorchid?

Or are you going to bat for the females with PCOS who do indeed have higher levels of testosterone - compared to a female without PCOS - but do not have male levels in any way?

I guess this bit answers my question, and it's not the women with PCOS that you are interested in:
'Constant Hate rots you from the inside, you know?'

Sigh.

I’m cringing for you at the lameness of your arguments.

Oh fgs here we go again 🙄

No woman's naturally occurring high testosterone is the male range.

That was never the issue with Khelif in the first place

Banging on about 'hate' all the time when people are standing up for women's rights and safety is making you look like a collisal hate-filled misogynist.

Jesus, can you not find it in yourself to care about women at all?

Source?

ETA - this is a reply to: 'Jesus, can you not find it in yourself to care about women at all?'

"The computer says 'no'."

When screening was done at the Atlanta Olympics, 3 athletes in the women’s competitions out of the 3000 or so screened were found to have CAIS, a rate of 1 in 1000. The population rate of CAIS is approximately 1 in 20,000.

https://www.gimjournal.org/article/S1098-3600(21)00234-3/pdf