NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

Venus fly trap a sensitive soul. The slightest dryness and they’re near to death. I’ve lost a few. My current Venus is thriving however ever since she sits in a saucer of water that is continuously kept topped up. I never water her on top of the soil, she just loves sitting in her saucer of water.

I know we are all waiting for NC’s cross examination on Tuesday, but I think today is going to be very, very interesting too.

It did flower but I cut them down straight away.

I like the look of butterworts @NoBinturongsHereMate I may add to the family

Sad times indeed :(
dp used to have carnivorous plants, mainly pitcher plants not fly traps, he always snapped off the flowers of the sad little venus fly traps in our local Homebase (also non-existent anymore) saying they'd die if they flower.

Oh no! I am looking forward to that one.

I despair I was last properly up to date on Wednesday I've managed to catch on the TT summaries and had the odd brief dive into these marvellous threads since but I'm on holiday so no idea when I'm going to be able to properly catch up. I was going to write it off but a quick skim of the latter half of this thread tells me you've been talking books so I will have find the time from somewhere to see what you had to say.

Don't know if you've seen Sandie's daughters X post but yes, tomorrow may well be interesting. I'm curious what this Lindsey will have today about Sandie.

Thoughts and prayers.

why the insufferable delay on my images mumsnet? Why?

Oh come on! You've published them all before.

Sad times!!!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't too surprised to find out that Bezmills is a man. Every time I saw his name, I had images of Happy Monday's Bez off his trolley, bouncing around with marracas.

I'm hopelessly (like days and days) behind what has Sandie's daughter tweeted?

A cafe close to me (well, easy cycling distance) makes treacle scones. I wish they'd be found in more cafes.

Just digging this one out again 😁

I suppose if it's me or the tea cake it can have the tea cake! 😁

I returned from holiday to find her almost dead and after interrogating my housemate for.a.while he confessed to giving her tap water!

I'd told him that was forbidden as it could kill her..

His rationale. Well it hadn't rained and it was going to die. Well it will definitely die if you water her like that!

I've managed to revive her so it wasn't a complete catastrophy. She just doesn't stand up at all though. Never has done. I may get another to compare.

Jam anime

JAMMIME!!!

Lawyers in Scotland let everyone down as did the government.

I mean consulting them wouldn’t have been any help at all. I’m not convinced even now that it would.

Image should appear soon

Nicole's message and some replies

The canteen in my previous job made them every so often, and if you got there early enough they'd still be warm. Alas, I no longer have a supply. If anyone can share a good recipe for these it would be appreciated!

Just catching up:

sewing, knitting, crochet - yes
Jams - no
carnivorous plants - yes. Venus fly traps watered with the water that comes out of our dehumidifier or out of the rain butt. It self propagated and I managed to transplant them using the specialist soil, so now have three and a very cute baby one. Have been very useful as the kitchen has been full of flies this summer, at one point all the traps were closed and digesting, I swore I could hear them burp. (eventually found the source of the flies was something unidentifiable that had died some weeks previously behind the bins outside). Butterwort and sundew also and they are very good for the tiny flies you sometimes get round other potted plants.

On a slightly on topic note regarding chromosomes, I am now the proud owner of one of these. (If the pic passes the filter). Will be interesting to see if anyone realises what it is and comments.

Asking Sandie what would her gay daughter make of it all.

The usual force teaming of LGB with the T.

As if lesbians have to be supportive of their trans 'sisters'

This Lindsay sounds all TWAW so let's see what she has to say..

Nicole's message and some replies

x.com/nicoleepeggiee/status/1949550294150291582?t=05nrQT8vGaY3x-RSoD6jbg&s=19

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Oh that sounds promising. Nice to have baby Venus..And you've just given me an idea for my next silversmith class ❤️