NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

No idea if this has been posted already…..

I’m struggling to keep up with these threads (watched some of the tribunal live back in February but have been away on summer holidays - bad timing!)

Anyway I’ve subscribed today to Michael Foran’s substack to listen to updates whilst unpacking and doing laundry - can highly recommend them, and I have 5 share token things for the free 30 days. DM your email address if you’d like one.

Totally get the pp (Gymnopedie?) who missed their stop and even forgot they were on a train.

Well remembered, it was me. Looking back on it I'm quite concerned, I was so engrossed in my phone that I had absolutely zero awareness of my surroundings. Missing the stop wasn't the worst that could have happened, my bag could have been taken and I'm sure I wouldn't have noticed.

I've told myself very firmly that this week I wait until I get home to catch up.

Their latest accounts suggest that they are not in a great position. They had a deficit of £860k (what would be called a loss if they were a business) on turnover of £6.9M. They had a deficit the previous year as well. Their total funds are down to £998k. Only £385k of that was unrestricted funds, i.e. money available for them to spend how they want. The remainder was in restricted funds that can only be used for the purpose for which they were given. They haven't yet filed their accounts to March 2025, but they need to reverse the trend.

I’ve just PM’d you, @PachacutisBadAuntie

Yes please @Toasterkettleairfryer Will pm 😃

All respect to you and the queen, but throwing the sultanas in the bin would probably work better than soaking them.

I prefer my scones without little blobs of slime in them. Nothing sadder than arriving at a nice cafe and discovering that they only have slime-accessorised scones

I would have put good money on a bet that the Sunday Sport would never use the word ‘imbroglio’!

Strange sad times.

I'm all out of Tribunal Tweets shares but @Firenzo and @Toasterkettleairfryer have Michael Foran!
ETA unless they're gone the trading floor is buzzing tonight!

@ToasterkettleairfryerI’ve just pm’d you…

Butterworts. Much less fussy than your average vegetable carnivore, and they have very cheerful flowers.

I cant open PM's, dont know what thats about

I have lots of email notifications so I made a throwaway email account

First 5 messages were from 19.55-20.25

I'll try my best!

[email protected]

Did you let it flower? That is supposedly not good for them.

This is mind-boggling. It doesn't sound as though the NHS solicitors were consulted at all.
Like you, I used to have our legal folks on speed dial. A quick phone call kept us right!

Honestly, follow them on Twitter. It’s far funnier and more educated than you expect, but they can get away with a lot of stuff because they are The Sport.

Ooh yes I made courgette pickle as well on Friday. It is delicious! so I also thank that poster

When Silence Becomes a Strategy – The Collapse of Stonewall’s “No Debate” Approach – Decentered Media https://share.google/QjfIKrTfa65pf0Qfg

A good summary of the demise if Stonewall.

I am expecting good stuff from Queen NC tomorrow morning after JR faffing about on Friday afternoon wasting time to allow Currer to drone on about have her take on gender.

I am willing to bet a fiver that Currer will say that you can’t tell if someone is a man by looking at them blah blah.

Who have we got and when does it start tomorrow please?

I believe we have to wait til Tuesday for the joy of Currer being cross examined.

Just throwing this into the ring:

Cheese scone
Cream cheese
Courgette and tomato chutney

A perfect antidote to too much sweetness.

Don't get me wrong, I like a cream tea as much as the next woman.

But I sometimes crave savoury food too.

I've told myself very firmly that this week I wait until I get home to catch up.

Yeah right! You know full well the first chance you get you'll be on your phone.

Just remember to make sure your bag is not snatchable first!

Mine flowered - and then it died.

#SadTimes

My feelings about raisins, sultanas, currants.

I love a plain scone, love a cherry scone and a place near me does really lovely savoury scones (my favourite was wild garlic and nigella seed) but one with sultanas, no.

If BezMills is a man (?), does that mean Fifer is a man?
I really think Fifer is female. I imagine her being quite old and sat up a corner by the fire drinking porter and possibly with a clay pipe.
After reading so much Fifer, does anyone else find their internal monologue is in Fifer speak?