NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

This witness has said she heard SP say derogatory things about immigrants and specifically quoted her saying she wanted to post bacon into the letterbox of a mosque.

That's grossly offensive and I don't think it helps anything to pretend these are the same second and third-hand comments mentioned earlier. This person is saying SP said them within her earshot. I don't think Sandie's rights in the CR depended on her having good opinions about immigration or race, so my opinion of her case stands, but it's not fair to pile these into the 'hearsay' group.

from herald
12:42pm
Sandie Peggie 'recalled'
The details of exactly when Sandie Peggie will give additional evidence have yet to be unveiled, but given that Employment Judge Sandy Kemp wants all evidence to be concluded by 4pm tomorrow, it'll have to be this afternoon or tomorrow.

😂😂😂 You walked right into that one @GreenFriedTomato

Yes, she seems to share in what are now quite commonly held views amongst many...regarding illegal immigration, housing, benefits etc She's not a highly educated, middle class person and expresses herself in a manner typical of others from a similar background.

Well done GreenFriedTomato, have a celebratory drink on us😄

That's very insightful about people sharing pictures of their cats too!

I nip to the loo and it starts up again!

I think being falsely thought of as a racist is a massive deal. 🤷🏻‍♀️

any potential recruiting NHS trusts have nothing to worry about with regards to a future further tribunal as long as they abide by employment law. Which shouldn’t be hard for a decent organisation to manage

Oh holy shit lol she went to see Lindsay during break

OH dear, the witness has been chatting to the next witness!!!!

Like I said I am wondering why if Sandie did say the mosque comment that noone reported it as they were obligated to do. It was a work event/work lunch and so many witnesses.

I also wonder if it was misheard or a misunderstanding given this was a restaurant, given the social media context. Maybe she was quoting it rather than saying it direct. Obviously I am Sandie's side r.e. CR so biased.

I understand why Sandie wants to come back and defend herself!

Ooh! Interesting!! Caught on court cameras!

The Courier reporter has been looking through the bundle and is reporting on some of the things said in the Benidorm group. And it looks not good at all for Sandie.
interesting to see how NC will handle this.

A ham sandwich and a bottle of diet irn bru!!!

From TT

We resume
J Reposition the mic please
JR LN is on holiday tomorrow so we must finish today
NC SP has left the room presently
J Another witness applied for. We'll see the patterns
NC U heard re discussing evidence under oath. U complied?
LN She asked me what she wants for lunch. On the phone I asked Lynsey what she wanted for lunch
NC U were supposed to waiting in diff rooms Yes. I wasnt in the room but stood in the door
JR This doesnt break yr instructions
Judge
LN I didnt enter the room
NC In a considerable ...

Wow, this witness is SNIPPY

Fucking rude

Being falsely thought of as racist, yes. Sure.

However do you really think there aren’t other white people in the NHS who think there’s too many immigrants? It’s not an uncommon view and ultimately people who think that way, aren’t going to care if others think that way.

My current management chain for example, would not investigate someone making comments like that and it’s a public sector organisation.

What did it say?

Is this still FW, not LN?

Why did she have to go and ask her what she wanted for lunch. When she was on clear instructions not to speak with her.

Was she the only one who could have asked her what she wanted ?

Liar liar big girl pants on fire Fiona

Loads of racists must work at these institutions, I don’t think it would be a massive deal.

I think it is a very massive deal, racism is abhorrent and I would (and have had to in the past) say something to anyone spouting racist shite. In a medical setting it can be the difference between whether a patient lives or dies as shown by the maternity care for black women thread currently running.

However, I still don't believe the NHS Fife witnesses purely because their evidence has shown big moth eaten holes from the start, and each witnesses credibility has individually IMO been lacking.

I dont believe that she said this bacon through the letterbox thing at all because that is the sort of thing you would only say with people you know who agree with you so i cant see her saying it with work colleagues unless they were all saying things of that nature 🤔

It’s unsubstantiated because no one else can back this witness up. SP could be a raging racist, which I highly doubt, but that isn’t what the basis of the tribunal is, it’s about her fundamental, lawful right to SSS. It’s also highly unlikely to be true because if FW was so pearl clutchingly outraged by it why didn’t she make an official complaint at the time? SP has an unblemished 30 year history, not a stain on her character, yet as soon as she stands up to BU she’s the worst person in the world, it makes absolutely no sense. Victoria hospital is completely ideologically captured, JR is staring down the barrel of defeat so they’ve come up with this nonsense.

LN I was told not to talk to witnesses
NC [describing corners of room] I want to suggest u knew u shldnt speak to her LN I wasnt in the room.
NC Were u talking to her to make sure y'd briefed her on what you said?
LN She asked for a ham sandwich and Irn Bru