NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

I think FW has confirmed SP was standing further away from door than Upton

FW - me, DU, other dr, and SP.
JR - when did SP come in
FW - I don't recall
JR - where were you standing
FW - near the stool J
R - DU? FW - near the blue lockers
JR - SP?
FW - near the toilet door
JR - what state of dress was everyone in?
FW - SP in uniform, I don't recall what everyone else was wearing, DU I don't recall but when I've seen her changing before always lower half covered and wearing a bra at least
JR - how to people get changed
FW - come in and get on with business of changing
JR - when you left

I knew it. it was dungeon like! the official F CR

I know but that doesn’t mean JR and Fife, NHS Scotland and the TRAs all accept it.

now she is Mrs Peggie.

Also ‘bra’

What a drama! Time & momentum versus fairness and thoroughness.

I imagine the outcome of this case will ripple even beyond the UK though.

If anyone still has a spare token for Michael Foran I’d very gladly receive it.

Two very random thoughts: if Trump is receiving any briefings from his advisors re affairs on Scotland, it would be wild if he commented on this.

FB is pushing Legally Blonde clips into my reels and it dawned on me that SP is adopting the same shades of pink as Elle Woods!

Derogatory remarks.

But she can't recall them, but someone told her later what they were.

Oh fuck off JR. Fiona testifying about Sandie making derogatory remarks about Upton at a lunch. Oh but can't remember them now. Just that they were derogatory.
And now mentioning heresay. Weirdo and freak.

Fucking heresay again. Called Upton 'it'

It would be disingenuous to ask why a bra, wouldn't it?

That's where DU's old rugby socks have gone!

who was still there?
FW - SP, DU
JR - other dr
FW - I don't recall
JR - describe other changing rooms
FW - we aren't supposed to use to change, our official space in dank basement, never used
JR - what is your r'ship with SP

It's all bloody rumour isn't it!

FW - SP had made derogatory remarks about Du at a lunch.

Referred to Beth as a weirdo freak and it. All hearsay someone else told FW.

Surely this is hearsay?

Do they even do 40" trainer bras, we wonder

FW - professional
JR - ever socialise
FW - on at least one occasion, a lunch in early September, with A&E colleagues, SP made derogatory remarks about DU
JR - what type of remarks
FW - I can't recall but was told by others, she said weirdo and freak
JR - anything else

hearsay gossip again!

When I was an infant feeding peer support worker, we ran out of dummy boobs, so I had to ask my nan to knit a knocker for me.

Wonder if Upton has had to ask some poor wee nanna somewhere to knit some knockers for him.

Well these people who told Fiona this will have to be named. Surely

Are witnesses allowed to give hearsay evidence to smear a claimant?

Anyone can say anything! In a criminal court hearsay is inadmissible, so why not in an ET?

Oh dear FW, you really don’t want to say things you can’t substantiate, not with NC about to question you.

FW - I had heard that SP used the term it for DU,
JR - do you recall who told you and when
FW - <missed name>, don't recall dates, never expected to be in tribunal
JR - who else was at the lunch
FW - list of names, <did not hear with sufficient certainty to report

It's crazy isn't it how all these witnesses never heard it directly, but they heard it through a friend of a friends dogs aunts sister twice removeds goat.

This why it is all performative. Would any of you wear a bra unless you had to, they are uncomfortable.