NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

They wrote a book together, but were they 'cozy? I remember Gaiman giving that impression in interviews (especially after Pratchett died) but don't remember any gushing comments flowing the other way.

Did he say permissible?

Is “it’s a matter for submissions” the new “that would be an ecumenical matter”?

Oh lovely. J is going to allow the witness's.

Judge & Panel return.
J - we've got the docs,
JR have you looked at these
JR - don't object, simply object to 2 add'l witnesses
J - we consider in principle that it is permissible to call add'l witnesses in response to what R's late witnesses says. And in principle, to recall

I've lost where this is going, I'll have to wait for a TT post

Q's to witness's must be short and sweet.

I am not sure, an appeal sets a legal precedent. If Fife don’t appeal then TRAs could still claim the ruling was an aberration

Ha think J is having a dig at JR. States questions must be to the point and as short as possible.

So as not to waste any more bloody time 😁

JR playing games and calling late witnesses to smear SP appears to have backfired

Sorry, they're back, what a shame...😉

Judge: going to see how things go.

In other words don't piss around

JR whinging again, just bloody get on with it!

Fair play Big Sond 👏

Judge & Panel return.
J - we've got the docs, JR have you looked at these JR - don't object, simply object to 2 add'l witnesses J - we consider in principle that it is permissible to call add'l witnesses in response to what R's late witnesses says. And in principle, to recalC. It's unclear what the evidence of the new witnesses will be. We are going to allow subject to; must particularly focused on relevant to the issues, the questions must take account of very limited time available, all qs to be as short and to the point as possible. We will

Whereas JKR has the courage of Harry Potter, the humour of Ron Weasley and the intelligence of Hermione Granger in spades. She's one who genuinely lives up to ideals she writes about.

Ah they going to start or take an early lunch?

Well done Big Sond.

That's also my impression. Gaiman in his early career was very good at befriending established authors who would give him a boost. Probably for the same reason he became a very prolific writer of blurbs for other authors' books. He was very skilled at grooming others to be character witnesses for him.

Fiona up now

First witness up: Miss Wishart

Getting called now

So 2 hours 10 minutes wasted already today.

I so regret buying an HP Laserjet wireless printer. It insists on being coddled and coaxed before it will print anything. Screaming, "you have ONE job", doesn't work.

Finally!

From TT

Judge & Panel return.

J - we've got the docs, JR have you looked at these
JR - don't object, simply object to 2 add'l witnesses

J - we consider in principle that it is permissible to call add'l witnesses in response to what R's late witnesses says. And in principle, to recall C. It's unclear what the evidence of the new witnesses will be. We are going to allow subject to; must particularly focused on relevant to the issues, the questions must take account of very limited time available, all qs to be as short and to the point as possible. We will impose time limits to allow us to finish by 4 pm tomorrow.

Big Sondie has managed tae shift Tee Aff tae 5.15 but he needs tae be on that Tay Bridge by 4.30 sharp.

Evidence out to be complete by 4 pm today. We must work to conclude evidence. We are going to see how things goes, on qs for witnesses for Rs and all evidence of the issues before the Tribunal. The evidence of LN may

impose time limits to allow us to finish by 4 pm tomorrow. Evidence out to be complete by 4 pm today. We must work to conclude evidence. We are going to see how things goes, on qs for witnesses for Rs and all evidence of the issues before the Tribunal. The evidence of LN may be tangential to the main issues. On submissions, we are going to take stock at the end of day tomorrow. We will see how we go before we impose time limits. And where are we on witnesses? JR - I would like to call FW now.
J - are you able to ask all your q