NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

NC It needs to be approached with caution and care. And in light of what JR has said about her subs including ECHR materials., It's difficult to see how the Tribunal can absorb the material and formulate questions for us based on submissions. It's not a normal case

NC still discussing situation with judge

Why on earth can't one of the legal team take a photo of the evidence they want to redact and do it in a photo edit. Failing that, take one of the bundle docs and scribble over the names.

Surely a networked office has another printer in the building!!!!!

I've been to Dundee Medical School. Well actually we got the bus up for the open day, and grabbed a prospectus in case we were asked (we weren't) then buggered off up the hill to play Laser Quest all day. Good day oot fae high school!

I of course went to The Other Place (Edinbawa School of Medicine yah)

J - looking at the options, <missed>, it would be less a matter of legal argument then factual arguments. One way to have subs on legal background with add'l subs on the facts of the case.
NC - yes that could work too,
J - will save time, don't know, just looking at various

We did not see material from group chat until last week.

Ah - was that the end-of-last-week bundle addition?

This. JR is admitting that there were other objectors despite her witnesses saying SP was the only one?

We have already looked at alternatives for her. JR clearly worried about being trapped in Scotland.

I'm seek tiret ay the transcription the noo, takin a brek.

Cats bums I guess! haha..

the more time they spend looking at different options, the less time they have to implement whichever option they choose.

Just saying.

JR whinging again

Judge going off to discuss with panel

Sandies response to this on WhatsApp was excellent. I’m sure Naomi will read it out loud along the the message above it by another nurse stating the trouble Upton caused at other hospitals

JR is stupid to highlight this

Judge and NC trying to reach agreement...

NC - on balance I would say not that way, it's an iterative process trying to split facts from law, and would be difficult and confusing to split.
J - you may not know, do you have a timetable for remaining wits
NC - don't know we will need to take instructions afte
we have heard them, we may get one additional wit in today, possibly get through all wits with part of Wednesday morning.
J - JR anything?
JR - I don't know when NC's proposal allows for panel qs
J - yes, could be in writing
JR - yes, also I would like to respond to Cs

Establishing on the record tha there were other women objecting but being scared to complain, is, I think, not that important for this case, but its wider implications going forward are enormous.

I so hope to see BezMills arriving at the Tribunal, hefting his home computer, shouting 'cavalry's here!'

100% there are plenty of examples of trusted professions who are dbs checked have committed hideous crimes. I recall a lecture when our tutor said approximately 95% of you are sat here because you want to nurse and provide good care, the other 5% are here solely to access vulnerable groups. It sent shivers up my spine.
it certainly isn’t a pass to access any changing room or department you see fit as the text messages suggest. Insanity ,

Can NC bring up Benidorm chat quotes from others when chatting to Lindsey/Lindsay (who is probably shitting herself that there are other witnesses willing to come forward now) ?

And as for all the other bitches who said no one else said anything - shame on you.

DU could manage that pretty quickly.

. J - could also be in writing.
JR - yes
J - we need to go discuss. 5 minutes, perhaps work on getting copies of new bundle material.
Court rises. End of morning part one thread

J - ... do you have a timetable for remaining wits?

I'm suspecting that they (and us) are close to being at wits end.

Yes. She was all condescending "you are horrible mean people my side has done nothing wrong" tone with a "oh shit we are fucked" tone trying to break free and scream!

Bangs lemon on table! Come on! We don't have all day...just bring them in!

So, morning session has finished...I can't make head nor tail of whats going on! Sorry, could someone explain.