NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

Oh my! I made the mistake of thinking that this might be one of the less dramatic days. Given how this tribunal has unfolded so far, I should have known better!

Not a problem… she’s not only defending but also prosecuting the interests of her client too!

Point being it’s not appropriate to her clients interest in the case to try to arrange the timing to coincide with an election process, I’m sure we all agree.

Since all the interests in common talk, I've actually been wondering if I might not know a couple of you IRL. There was one post in particular a few threads back in connection with something I do as my main hobby, but I can't remember who posted it or their username now, and advanced search has let me down trying to find the post again😂

This is glorious.

I realised after my comment that "Offstage, they were Margaret, Mavis, Opal, and Florence. But under the spotlight, [the Pickle Sisters ..] went by Dillie, Kosher, Gherkin, and Cornichon. Their act, which lasted for about 15 minutes, involved songs, dances, and humorous skits centered around the theme of pickles" could also have come straight out of an STP aside in Ankh Morpork.

The Pratchett Singularity: the point where reality, AI and Terry Pratchett's imagination can no longer be distinguished.

(And pretending women are pickles is a much better use of human ingenuity than pretending men are women!)

Yes that was my point - the last thing we want is another half-excuse to accuse NC of having 'an agenda' .

Didn't he also do a bit of time as a journalist? I think he'd probably have a lot to say about the extremely misleading news coverage we've been seeing too.

Ah but the 24 pages self-identified as 3000 pages and according to praxis at Fife we must accept this as true

Hahaha...JR accusing others of being hyperbolic.
Trying to get the new witnesses chucked out.

My irony meter just exploded

TT
Difficulties with JR microphone in first part of morning session.
Maybe '24' just sounded like '3,000'?😄
Adding without comment.
For Women Scotland
@ForWomenScot
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The short written submission under discussion is from FWS.

"Fuck aroon, fun oot! Big bits are comin oot!" 😂

JR arguing that the objecting (to DU in CR) witness should not appear as NC knew about them for ages.

On the subject of the WhatsApp convo, anyone else drawn to see the suggestion that Dr.U had a police check and therefore… what, should be allowed to use any bathroom? Can anyone flesh that out?

I've donated to Sarah's cause to provide a biological women's only rape survivors group, thanks to who posted that.

You can do anything you want with them!

I'll give them some credit bet its 3000 words.
24 pages.

I'll also bet the Rihanna lady is going to come forward since shes been named now, might as well clear things up.

From TT

Panel returns.
JR - I have instructions on 2 thing, 1st on add wits and docs, the Rs don't accept that they approached in a shambolic manner, hyperbolic, arguments are rehash of earlier hearing and we object. We remind the Tribunal that this is supposed to be the last day of evidence.
(cont) C has known about other objector from the beginning, should have been part of case and brought forward then. And on Benidorm Group Chat (BCG) since January, they have known that we wanted to call LN since 15 July prelim hearing, likely 2 weeks earlier

Read that as Big tits😂

Panel returns. JR - I have instructions on 2 thing, 1st on add wits and docs, the Rs don't accept that they approached in a shambolic manner, hyperbolic, arguments are rehash of earlier hearing and we object. We remind the Tribunal that this is supposed to be the last day of evidence. C has known about other objector from the beginning, should have been part of case and brought forward then. And on Benidorm Group Chat (BCG) since January, they have known that we wanted to call LN since 15 July prelim hearing, likely 2 weeks earlier

JR acting all put out like her side have been paragons of virtue.

JR - Concerns about derailment oh my lord.

Accusing claimants of delays!!!

Please not December! The first two weeks in December are the busiest of the year in my work. Pp mentioned upthread about vastly increased screen time last week - same here.

too late now, 4 weeks later. On messages, they are being transcribed by others, going up on Twitter, where these aren't sufficiently redacted, they might identify patient detail, might also identify individuals unnecessarily, expose them to unfair media scrutiny. I haven't seen evidence.

add'l production, various problems. Onto submissions, concerned that things are about to be derailed, not in anyone's interest. Adjourned in February, had 6 months to work on submissions, another long adjournment will impact quality of justice and fairness, unhelpful to have

From TT

JR Cont too late now, 4 weeks later. On messages, they are being transcribed by others, going up on Twitter, where these aren't sufficiently redacted, they might identify patient detail, might also identify individuals unnecessarily, expose them to unfair media scrutiny. I haven't seen add'l production, various problems. Onto submissions, concerned that things are about to be derailed, not in anyone's interest. Adjourned in February, had 6 months to work on submissions, another long adjournment will impact quality of justice and fairness, unhelpful to have

I really, really, really want the judge to slap JR's pish down! In a lawful judge-like manner obviously.