NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

Anyone else thinking of Bleak House - Jarndyce vs Jarndyce?
Is it normal for employment tribunals to go on for ever?

I’m agog! Caught up this morning. My screen time notification this week was more than double my usual time. No wonder I’m getting nothing done!

Loving being part of these threads, wish I could either watch it live or be there in person. My jaw hinge is now so weak, it’s been dropped so often.

I used to work with a lovely Scottish lady who had what I thought was a strange accent - I now realise she’s from Fife 🤣 Bez sounds just like her.

She is not coming out of this well

Boooooooooooooooo to an extension come on talk quicker 😜

NC doesn’t need to be neutral - she needs to support her client.

We can see JR is not neutral either.

I expect the sight of senior doctors and overpaid, ineffectual pen pushers making tits of themselves when giving evidence has emboldened many who until now were frightened enough to not speak up against the nonsense.

Agree. These are a lovely first foray into Discworld. If you go beyond into the adult books, there is a smattering of swearing, and some “adult” topics discussed but my DD has been listening to the audiobooks since she was 10 - the swearing usually gets a giggle, and she knows she’s not allowed to repeat, most of the adult topics have gone a bit over her head, but have also served to prompt some useful discussions now she is getting a bit older.
she particularly enjoys the books with Death in, as well as the City Watch ones.

For anyone listening - it was Benidorm Party Group Chat?
Or just Benidorm Group Chat?

@MarieDeGournay She’s not defending her client - her client is the claimant not the respondent.

The problem is JRs constant interruptions.

The 3000 pages came at 9.15
JR - 3,000 new pages, it seems unreasonable given that subs start tomorrow.

Bet Big Sond’s got writers’ cramp.

Go wash your mouth out with soap.

Any quicker and stenos and TT will have bleeding fingers

Faye has been one of my monthly donations for a few months now. And still is!

I would also like to put in a word for @IamSarah and Sussex Rape Survivors - the group who offered one women's group, one LGBTetc, and one men's.... and they let a trans-id male join the women's group and told the women to make him welcome. That was the case that woke me up to the fact that something, somewhere, had gone horribly wrong. I've been waiting a long time now for Sarah's discrimination case to reach court. NC is her barrister too.

@IamSarah has a court date in late September (at last!) and a crowdfunder. "Help Sarah’s Legal Challenge to Secure Female Only Rape Crisis Therapy" will get you there.

(I don't want NC to be too busy in September...!)

I expect poor Nauti is losing the will to live after hearing a possible part three, let alone the possible spin off series of RNC court case.

JR said 3000, that is why I put a question mark after it as I thought, that can't be right, I must have misheard. 😆

Sad Times would be a great name for a band, rather in the spirit of Radiohead. (Sorry if someone else has thought of this wonderful notion already.)

And the gem that was NHS Fife press statement.

I realised I had wrongly used the word 'defend' and hoped no one would notice. Wrong assumption amongst such alert and knowledgeable company
I meant 'defending the interests of her client'

I'm forever android. Maybe there's a similar thing. I will look.

Would be good to have a screen reader in different accents 😂

Emma, Emma, Emma, Emma, Emma!

I had it in mind for the NHS Fife staff news letter.

😂@GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen

I get a bit of Sad Times in the winter. Especially if I don’t get outside much.

J - JR said 3,000 pages, you said 24 which is correct

I suppose it should come as no surprise that the side that can't count to 2 also can't count to 24.

I've lost track - did we ever find out what/how big the extra submissions at the end of last week were?

100%. Terry always seems to come across as someone very able to skewer nonsense and misinformation. Whilst at the same time tolerant of individuals living their own best lives.