NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

Can I throw in a recommendation for Frances Hardinge's novels? I think dd might have been about 11 or 12 when she read them first, not sure if they are available in audible though. My favourite is A Skinfull of Shadows, dd's favourite is The Lie Tree.

<<starts Christmas shopping, ‘cos come December there ain’t nothing getting done>>

Thanks for posting the link. I have just made a one-off donation

September, one of my concerns is whether the Tribunal itself will have the ability to absorb our subs on the legal position.
J - I have to see your subs first to be able to answer that.
NC - can we come back to you on that, establish feasibility of a day in Sept, don't want to

It's a joke they're even wasting time on this, Upton is a man and DSD's have nothing to do with it.

NC is going to make JR regret allowing MC to witter on about it.

JR is bound to be raging. All this time being spent on a case that SP has clearly already won anyway 😂 FAFO

Amazon vouchers for all if you don't start now!

Oh my what a start to the day!

As an aside and to please all the pickles on these threads
From Historic Photographs on FB
”
Meet the Pickle Sisters—a vaudeville act from the 1920s with a flair for the unexpected. Offstage, they were Margaret, Mavis, Opal, and Florence. But under the spotlight, they went by Dillie, Kosher, Gherkin, and Cornichon. Their act, which lasted for about 15 minutes, involved songs, dances, and humorous skits centered around the theme of pickles.”
😳🥒🥒💖

NC determined that she's going to nail this case, very clearly.

Loving this 😂😂😂

J - don't want to go part heard again.
<J& Panel discussing>
J - application under rule 36 do you have comments?
NC - none
J - JR said 3,000 pages, you said 24 which is correct
NC - 24 pages
J - much more manageable
JR - 2 new witness tomorrow aft

I’m currently googling ways to get this thread to be read out to me in real time as I got shit to do

JR objecting to a witness giving evidence via CVP

Why, it happens all the time.

whats cvp?

Can you book sick leave 5 months in advance ?

Asking for a friend

So we are seeing the consequences of JR (in the absence of facts) embarking on a smear campaign to paint SP as a loner, a racist and a bigot? Along with introducing irrelevant waffle about sex being oh so complicated that now needs legally challenging.
Well - FAFO indeed.

Break back at 11

I have no idea if this is real or an AI hallucination but either way I love it!

@Chersfrozenface Apologies I was watching it on a small screen, and idiotically wondering why it wasn't a Welsh cake. Yup I know how to make them, had a Welsh ex. Never tried any varieties.

Break for half hour back at 11

I was musing whether chatGPT could be used for this purpose

J - we need to look at material and consider, how long
NC - that's up to JR
JR - its 24 pages, manageable, 1 wit on group chat, 1 wit on other objections to CR.
J - we need to think about all this
JR - we object to CVP witness, all other witnesses have appeared in person

I thought JR said it was literally 3,000 pages a while ago??

3000 pages!!! What's in them? Hopefully screenshots that have been verified by the Scottish forensic expert as good and proper and no way tampered with like the slippery doctor

Good idea