NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #44

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 26 July 2025

All the bottoms have suddenly been replaced with much more innocuous fare for me at least.

To avoid those ads, and also to be able to keep using an adblocker, use DuckDuckGo.

https://www.mortonsflour.com/project/cinnamon-scones/

You need to report your post, or make a thread on the Site Stuff board, they won’t see it otherwise.

Sandy‘s daughter quote tweeted a tweet which had those messages and said ‘tomorrow will be interesting’ so it would seem so.

I am now using DuckDuckGo as suggested. I will see how it goes. Fingers crossed.

Those spiral scones are very daring. Thanks, I'm tempted to have a go.

On the last thread , several posters wondered if Dr Upton would be taking a case of his own to an Employment Tribunal. However I suspect he will be too busy dealing with the General Medical Council.

I understand that several complaints were raised with the GMC earlier this year but these are not being investigated until after this tribunal has given its findings.

I think there are a number of areas where many people might feel he has breached the standards required for a medical practitioner . These could include

Clinical competence and patient safety - he can’t tell the difference between biological men and women. This means, for example, that he could prescribe or dispense the wrong dose of a drug.

Consent - he has said he would go ahead and treat a patient even after they had specifically asked for a woman HCP / doctor.

Honestly and integrity - it appears he has tampered with evidence and made serious allegations about a colleague which he then admitted hadn’t happened.

He claims he had serious concerns about a colleague which could put patients at risk but he didn’t report these for months.

It could certainly be argued that his actions have undermined public faith in the profession or brought it into disrepute.

And this is before the ET has made any potential finding of sexual harassment against him.

That’s just off the top of my head, without going through the GMC Professional Standards or referring to the evidence he gave to the ET earlier this year.

Interesting fact - the Chair of the General Medical Council, Professor Dame Caroline MacEwen studied medicine at University of Dundee and is still Hon Professor of Surgery there.

Knit yes, but not very well. Crochet no, want to learn. Never made jam. No desire to. Have made kimchi, didn't like it. Scones, clotted cream first then almost any other jam in preference to strawberry, even orange marmalade. Try to grow vegetables with mixed success.

I had a sarracenia, Larry, for a couple of years. He was an impulse purchase. Was scrupulous about avoiding tap water. Even distilled water for him when there was a dry spell. I used to put him in the garden over summer. Was watering him with water from the dehumidifier when he died. I'm not sure if it was that or something else. I wasn't sure if he was hardy so I'd brought him inside over winter. I miss him he completely fettled a fungus gnat outbreak. I'd like a butterwort, a native one, but I've not been able to find one for sale.

Highlighting Michael Foran share tokens 🙏

Cheese scones. Teaspoon of fennel seed. Teaspoon of panch poran. Eyerollingly good.

Also thank you @ForAllWomen for the Foran share. I listened to the Friday episode. I knew it was bad for Upton, but didn’t realise quite how damning til Foran articulated it.

I am now very happy. DuckDuckGo so far has solved problem. Also, tomorrow’s witnesses may be on the right side of history please god!

I think if there were a positive finding of sexual harassment against any one individual then that would be difficult for the GMC to ignore. I can’t quite remember the alleged detriments - is it within the tribunal’s power to find that?

Now I've had to look up 2 things - that & sarracenia. Where can you buy panch poran? I just put mustard in my cheese scones!

I make my own! Dead easy. Mix the seeds; shake.

Does this mean we can expect realists to be talking about the situation (a man using female facilities) in court tomorrow?
Is this why Sandie's daughter is happy?
The court needs some more light.

I’m blessed to have a number of excellent world food shops near me. I’m going to look for panch portable now.

Sandie's daughter is not happy. She's expecting mudslinging.

I hope so.

I just want to say that I absolutely know we are on the right side of bloody history! Sandie and any other woman has the right to get changed in a room that does NOT include any biological man. Whether it is in her workplace, gym or anywhere else. Please god that this tribunal clarifies that where it is needed.

Some very tempting recipes in the links ❤️💪🏻

I re-read SPs examination on TT earlier, she said she doesn't post on Facebook (that's why they trawled her husband's to look for wrongthink there instead).

That Lindsay expresses 'concern' for how Sandie's gay DD would feel about her 'judgmental' mum not wanting to get undressed in front of a man seems to suggest she hasn't seen anything homophobic before if this is what concerns her? Surely it'd be 'how does your DD feel about the homophobic stuff you've been saying'...but instead, this is all she calls her out on?

Plus, if she's seen or heard anything bad, she'd have a duty to report it, and there's been no evidence produced so far that SP has actually been reported or investigated for homophobia.

Interested to see where it will go tomorrow.

There is definitely a bot about.

So Lindsey Nicoll is the nurse who goes by Lindsay on Facebook? That's very supicious. Does she change her name so she can speak more freely (when she isn't being holier than thou to others)?