NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #43

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

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That s where you are going wrong Wait you don't spread clotted cream you just lob a great big spoonfull of the stuff on top.

I do see your point but I am no firmly of the belief DU very much enjoys being a man. He enjoyes knowing that he is a man whilst performing as a woman. It’s a sport je gets a lot of pleasure from.

Because what he enjoys most of all is being a victim and there are fewer oops for being a victim in his maleness.

I think the future is set for him because whatever the outcome he gets to be victim hero for himself and trans.

There’s a series on TV called Smoke and if you replaced fire with trans the male fire investigator’s narrative arc would very much parallel DU.

He is looking forward to when he brings his own ET agains NHSF so he can play the main character victim. SP having that role must be doing his head in!?

Yes, I think we can at least all agree that the scone should not be eaten as a sandwich.

Good woman!

Does anyone know anything about the “chaos” that Upton has apparently caused in previous posts? I’ve seen mention of him causing trouble at Ninewells. Apologies if this has been covered.

I agree. They were not the 'essence' of Sir Terry. I think it is because they were not mainly written by him, rather his PA and others.

That is so insightful! Explains much more than T ideology.

overwhisking whipping cream to almost butter gets a similar product to clotted cream if you are desperate.

Much less chance of meeting rats near the bins in my experience, and they don't have those terrifying wattles, or beady-eyed death stares.

I dunno, he just reminds me a bit of people I have known who move from one church to another, enjoying all the attention. Once the baptism is done and the spotlight is no longer on them they move on. They aren't interested when volunteers are needed to drive people to appointments, help out at fetes etc.

Until now he was enjoying being special. Senior managers asking if he was okay, falling over backwards to make sure nothing was going to upset the precious, fragile, flower.

Of course senior managers had their own agenda, making sure they could tick the 'supportive' box and demonstrate they had been sitting up straight and writing notes during the diversity training.

Maybe being able to show that a 'mean, bigoted, nurse' had been disciplined also added to their 'inclusivity score'. Gold stars all round and if a nurse has a 30 year career blighted what of it? She's only a nurse. She just had to say 'sorry' attend re-education and everyone could get on with normal.

It has now blown up in their faces. Both for NHSF and DU.

@KnottyAuty thank you for a top notch analysis, it would be well worth getting a friendly journo to publish that.

This is an excellent summary of the case so far, I think.

I agree. Absolutely the mind that wrote the later books was not what it was, and there was a lot of Rob Wilkins input to get the stories into a publishable shape.

But STP also said as he felt time running short he let more of his anger at injustices through unsoftened as he had things he wanted to get said. And I think that also changes the books.

What I remember most of the later books is great elements rather than satisfying complete works. I love the Austen pastiche and the new Dwarf king turning out to be a woman.

And I absolutely love Goblin culture and the care with which is is drawn, like a cross between Japan, (non-Discworld) fairyland and Fungus the Bogeyman. And their names! So for me getting to meet the Goblins makes up for all the weaker plots and characters.

@NebulousSupportPostcard asked about the Miss Russell Advocate who acted for NHS Fife in a recent Fatal Accident Inquiry. Taking that as a minor challenge I looked into it, concluding (unsurprisingly) that it wasn't our Miss Russell - it was this one https://www.compasschambers.com/advocates/elaine-russell who has the case listed in her CV.

Where i work, someone asked about Pride stickers to stick onto PPE.

I mean, it’s not like we’re strapped for cash, or anything. 🙄
And stickers actively reduce how effective that particular item of PPE is, which already has a limited shelf life.
Far be it from me to criticise some DEI dickhead who has no idea what they’re talking about.

Doing an Isla Bumba, shall we say!

Sorry. It’s just irritated me.
As you were.

Great article. I’ve been thinking of the Winslow Boy all week.

Snickers child was documented. Datable & identifiable so could find notes.

Upton's testimony after this insisted the 'resus incident' wasn't Snickers child. It was another un-named patient, on an unknown date, with an unremembered complaint. Therefore inpossible to find notes or witnesses.

As Upton would say, weird.

This is why you have to shove into your mouth quicky.

If you put jam on first is leaks into the scone and makes it soggy.

I am now wondering if cream is non-Newtonian. But on the subject of clotted I have very fond memories of visits to Granny in the 1960s. Not on scones but on green jelly. And with a slightly (delicious) grainy texture which i have never found in stuff you can get in supermarkets.

Thanks so much for sharing this, captures it all perfectly.

Catching up after a couple of days away. So much to take in my only comment is lemon curd on scones is a game changer (with clotted cream naturally).

@Igneococcus we make raspberry gin - very easy! 1 litre of cheap gin (no point using expensive stuff). Put a punnet or two of raspberries into a glass jar or jug and pour gin over. Stir, then cover. Keep stirring occasionally for a couple of days, then pour (filtering it) back into the gin bottle. No need to add any sugar.

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