NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #43

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

The absence of Jamie Doyle (and his refusal to attend) will work in Sandie’s favour.

Im reminded of Mridul Wadhwa’s (know that’s misspelt!) not being a witness in the ERCC case.

I know the Unseen University isn't to everyone's taste but I do like Archchancellor Ridcullys management diagram "me who does the telling.....everyone else" personally I feel my work would go much smoother if they just let me adopt that position 😆

I don't do jam or knit or sew but I do bake and if work didnt take up so much time, I'd do more writing

At the beginning she must have felt like she was stuck in a nightmare that she just couldn't wake up from.

Imagine if she hadn't thought to go to speak to Neale, it just doesn't bear thinking about.

You’d hope but remember the board must have been behind that Friday statement and do demonstrate they don’t hold anything against their lying cheating misogynistic staff for the utter failings that got them here.

Boiledbeetle · Today 08:40

pollyglot · Today 08:33
Boiledbeetle · Today 08:27
pollyglot · Today 04:42
Guava jelly - either nectar or ambrosia...never can remember which.
I'm just packing. I'll be at yours and moving into your spare room shortly. I will expect toast with home made jams every morning with a nice cup of tea.
What do you mean that doesn't work for you?
Resistance is futile.

You're absolutely welcome, BB.
Is it wholemeal or white you'll be wanting?
Scones, jam and cream for elevenses?
Give me a bell from the airport. x

White bread please (and if it's home made even better). I can manage a multi grain seeded type loaf, but a definite no to the wholemeal.
Scones.....yes please. Jam then cream obviously the correct order.
The plane from deepest darkest Peru leaves in half an hour.
I'll ring you when I've made it past customs your end.
Kisses.
😘

Oh my! All the way from Peru! So it'll be marmalade for you, then.

Not a problem. I have lemon and lime, made last week. Delish. MrG made bread this morning, too...just right for sandwiches.

See you soon! x

Yes to marmalade, crochet, gardening, wild swimming and sewing. I can throw in a bit of dyeing and weaving. Enthusiasm rather than skill is the main feature of my textiles endeavours but I love learning how to do something new.

Whispered confession incoming - I tried Pratchett once as a teenager and didn't like it. But absolutely love Austen so hope not to be completely cast out for heresy.

I have a bit of a soft spot for Ridcully and I love the trouserleg of time aspect to his and Granny's love - the possibilities are intriguing.

And I love the Librarian - I have the wee bronze model of him on my bookcase.

We've seen what happens to heretics!

Stand by for an interminable disciplinary process about which you will be told nothing ...except you can't discuss it with anyone and you may lose your livelihood....

This.

It's never too late to start with Discworld, you just need to make sure you start with the right one. Never start at the start with the first book! It's a good novel, but it's a bit clunky and a hard sell for someone on the fence.

My mum was put off for along time by the Kirby cover art which made her think it was "all stupid fantasy non-names and rubbish". I said one of the main characters is called Sam, and gave her a copy of Wyrd Sisters and one of the early Watch books. I love the Watch but I can never tell which book is which.

I created a monster. She ended up devouring all Pratchett, even the non-Discworld. She'd go into charity shops and buy what she could find, even if she already had a copy. You'd know she was reading a Discworld because you'd just hear random bursts of laughter from the kitchen. She ended up ahead of me in reading them and when I asked to borrow one she was very firm in ensuring it was returned, which was a cheek as I never saw my original one back!

Anyone got a good fig and orange jam recipe they could post? Before we all get serious again. Someone mentioned The modern preserver or riverford preserves? @pollyglot chief preserver? edited for @SidewaysOtter

I am off fig picking after breakfast

Home made lime marmalade AND home made bread!

Delicious.

They are just loading my suitcases.

Will there be tambourines?

Good short piece from Euan McColm in the Scotman, on doctors & trust, with an honourable mention for Pete, & scathing on Searle & Upton, a consultant not a three year old, & not suitable for a doctors career, respectively.

https://archive.is/2cjIp

Up to a point.

There have been references to the Board being aware of the incident in early January IIRC, but I don't think we've seen a paper trail around it.

I have a suspicion that Jamie Doyle's absence may be an attempt to keep Senior Management and the Board out of the tribunal, as his cross-examination could be telling.

Also his suggestion about a police report for a hate crime - I think it would be unusual for anybody in the public sector to do that without cover from above.

Not a good look for Jamie Doyle nor NHS Fife. Just when you think that can’t be much more covering up in NHS Fife something else comes along. It just shows that their Head of HR, Mr Miller on over £100k a year, needs to pull his finger out and start earning his keep.

@NHSFifeSadTimes I’ll look the recipe up when I get home. Poke me if I forget!

Scones.....yes please. Jam then cream obviously the correct order.

Woah, woah, WOAH. Cream is dairy, so should be put on first. You don’t make a jam sandwich by going bread-jam-butter, do you?!

😂😂😂

NHSFifeSadTimes · Today 08:59

Anyone got a good fig and orange jam recipe they could post? Before we all get serious again. Someone mentioned The modern preserver or riverford preserves? chief preserver? edited for
I am off fig picking after breakfast

Sorry, I don't understand modern preserver/riverford preserves...is it an IQ test?
I can recommend this, though...

https://rediscover.co.nz/fresh-fig-chutney/

This is true, and Swinney and his i support them shit.
But there must be changes somewhere. SNP must be waking up to what the Be kind really means at the ballot box (lots of people just don't think it through)

@SternlyMatthews Loving the quote from Euan Mccolm of "Pete" as an "effective stupidity detector"!😂

oh dear! that should fill the thread nicely.
I've noticed over the years that it is easier to spread cream onto jam than vice versa, as jam on top doesnt stick to cream as you spread, so makes a bit of a mess.

Cream is very clearly a topping, not a replacement for butter.

“Pete is not an actual human. Rather, he is both theoretical and an effective stupidity detector.”

Careful Pete doesn’t sue, his profession is plumber!!

Let’s take Sandie’s word for it that they didn’t occur, not in the manner claimed. She said she never ignored DU in department and would have only asked him to do obvs if she’d been called to another patient.

I vaguely remember her talking about remembering the resus incident cos a kid has been given a Snickers and was allergic to peanuts but I can’t find that in the TT transcripts.

This is from Alex Massie's comment piece that I linked to earlier this week:
"Above all, however, remember that this Scotland of magical thinking is the Scotland a majority of our MSPs wanted. Some things really are binary. You are Team Peggie or Team Upton and most of our political representatives chose to be the latter."

NHSF never thought they had any duty to SP and women who feel like her and they never thought they would be held responsible for this appalling mess they made because they felt they were fully in step with the Scottish government and a large part of the opposition. They absolutely never thought they would have to defend their decisions in front of a court and a very interested public.