NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #43

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence had been intended to be 28 July with 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing was to have ended on 30 July. However, it became apparent as the hearing progressed that this schedule wouldn't be followed.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

🚩Jamie Doyle gets a mention in this July 2023 Fife NHS Board paper relating to a Fatal Accident Enquiry relating to a patient death 2019 in the Victoria ICU where JD was Clinical Nurse Manager responsiblefor the Hospital At Night (H@N) team.

NHSFife committee paper: www.nhsfife.org/media/uzlx7cob/clinical-governance-committee-meeting-papers-20220707.pdf

"[168] Jamie Doyle, Clinical Nurse Manager, in charge of the H@N team sent an email on 7 November 2020 to that team in the following terms “An action was identified to ensure H@N team are aware of appropriate escalation processes for deteriorating patients. I have given assurances that H@N are all very familiar and experienced with patient escalation processes.” [169] This was despite two ANPs in the team not escalating Ms Allan when she should have been escalated.

44/46 292/557 45 [170] It is concerning that despite Ms Allan’s untimely death and an internal Significant Adverse Event Review (SAER) little has been done to ensure compliance with systems."

Possibly also of interest NHS Fife was represented by a Miss Russell, Advocate for that public enquiry.

On FB it has been said that Jamie Doyle was 'invited' to attend the SP tribunal as a witness but sent a letter from a solicitor saying he didn't have to, and wouldn't attend.

Mine are organised on my shelves exactly the same way 😂

I agree with starting with the witches, but I'd start with Wyrd Sisters, as Equal Rites suffers a little from early series teething issues. Plus it has a few enjoyable Macbeth references, and means you're only one book away from Witches Abroad, which has a couple of sequences that are guaranteed to make me laugh out loud, no matter how crap a mood I'm in.

@FlirtsWithRhinos I wouldn't have said that post was a screed, but even if it was, all would be forgiven for the introduction of the Dr Update moniker .

I wish I could post photos but a link will have to do for now.

If you look from p145 of these Fife NHS Clinical Governance Board papers, our witness refuser, Head of Nursing, Jamie Doyle is currently responsible for a very lightweight Quality of Care Review process with a powerpoint presentation.

Amongst pages of nothing much, it includes a full page photo of Walt Disney and the quote "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing".
https://www.nhsfife.org/media/iail0oqv/clinical-governance-committee-papers-20250307.pdf

Someone on the inside is trolling the Board, Mr Doyle!

TL;DR Jamie Doyle, Head of Nursing, seems to have been a key player in Sandie's trumped up 'patient safety'-related suspension, but has refused to attend the tribunal to give evidence. And the Sandie suspension comes at the end of a year where Mr Doyle has himself been named in a public inquiry around an unexpected death at Victoria Hospital. Miss Russell, advocate represented Fife at that enquiry.

( Are there enough Miss Russell, advocates in the country for that to have been a different one to the SP tribunal? Is Mr Doyle hiding away for any reason? So many questions!)

Ooooo me! me! Mort was my first too.

Mort, then CoM, LF, Sourcery and Equal Rites (got the last two in the wrong order), then from then on I was reading them roughly as they were published.

I loves the BookWorld/Thursday Next series. My granny introduced me to Agatha Christie and also knitting and jam making. I can do bread and cakes, but I'm terrible at IT - thank goodness for teenagers!

I just asked ChatGPT who is Theodore Upton then had an interesting exchange about pronouns here

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380775-i-asked-chatgpt-who-is-theodore-upton-the-n-discussion-about-pronouns?reply=145977269

I agree with the above comment, this is always how I've seen it too.

I'm a fan of Pratchett, Wodehouse & Christie too, and from time to time enjoy a bit of baking, knitting, sewing, crochet, and a thousand other crafts and hobbies that I've picked up and put down on various whims. We had chickens when I was a teenager, silky bantams. They were lovely, but they weren't fenced in so a bit of a menace come shutting in time on an evening, I'd have to go searching for them to bring them in from wherever they'd plonked themselves down for the night.

We put a sign over the hen house that read "Dunroamin" because of Pratchett's home of the Discworld gods, Dunmanifestin

It's really interesting and funny how there are so many points of commonality between a lot of us

I don’t know how he manages such beautiful logic through the density of layers but it is wonderful.

On a side note, I wonder if someone at NHS Fife have been applying pressure to DU to provide phone evidence?

Tho I also have an image of him and his wife coming up with the plan of manipulation and justifying it to themselves for all sorts of batshit reasons but mostly arrogance.

Oh look it’s Jamie Doyle and Isla Bumba signing off a Risk Assessment which notes the 9 protected characteristics in May 2025 - it certainly needs to be updated to include gender critical beliefs :-)

https://www.nhsfife.org/media/23kns0gi/eqia-s1-nhs-fife-visiting-procedure.pdf

How could I have left out Dorothy L Sayers? I have all of those. And I like J K Rowling’s work too, especially the Cormoran Strike series, which I am currently rereading because the new volume comes out on September 2nd. Thanks for the Stabenow suggestion, which I will check out.

Didn't get your money but when you woke up you still had your hedgehogs. 🥰🥰🥰

Guava jelly - either nectar or ambrosia...never can remember which.

We put a sign over the hen house that read "Dunroamin" because of Pratchett's home of the Discworld gods, Dunmanifestin

I absolutely love that!

Does anyone have a share token for this times piece please?

https://x.com/mforstater/status/1949208268615913902?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Posted by me up thread.

The section of Pratchett I sometimes find myself thinking about in current times is from ‘Thief of Time’:

“Supposing an emperor was persuaded to wear a new suit of clothes whose material was so fine that, to the common eye, the clothes weren’t there. And suppose a little boy pointed out this fact in a loud, clear voice . . .

Then you have The Story of the Emperor Who Had No Clothes.

But if you knew a bit more, it would be The Story of the Boy Who Got a Well-Deserved Thrashing from his Dad for Being Rude to Royalty, and Was Locked Up.

Or The Story of the Whole Crowd Who Were Rounded Up by the Guards and Told ‘This Didn’t Happen, okay? Does Anyone Want to Argue?’

Or it could be a story of how a whole kingdom suddenly saw the benefits of the ‘new clothes’, and developed an enthusiasm for healthy sports in a lively and refreshing atmosphere which got many new adherents every year, and led to a recession caused by the collapse of the conventional clothing industry.”

Hard to believe that the man who wrote that would have been part of the crowd enthusiastically pretending they no longer have any idea what a woman is, but it definitely could be a man if he says so. But then I suppose there’s been no shortage of people I previously respected apparently eager to disappoint.

Interesting. Noting that under sex it talks about 'gender related here's wonder what they mean ... It does not talk about single sex spaces.

Behind the Sandie Peggie tribunal in messages, phone notes and emails

https://www.thetimes.com/article/f30df150-a373-41ce-b2d3-c9c52bd3c666?shareToken=4281d07e54b43a7b1250c911ebeb1d66

I read all the Pratchett's long ago (should reread, have recently chucked a worthy tome back to the friend who loaned it to me as being Too Bloody Boring). I intermittently make jam, chutney and pickle, knit, crochet, sometimes sew, and enjoy the garden.

I'm not sure how many fellow FWR wims are dog walkers. We have two, and I take them bloody miles.

Was thinking DS might enjoy Pratchett - where’s a good start for a 16 yo please?

There is another important legal point, the Supreme Court didn’t change the law. It merely stated what the law was and always had been. The fact others misinterpreted it, or relied on unlawful Stonewall law is irrelevant surely. Fife have the money for top lawyers. If they chose to use Stonewall law that isn’t a defense to breaking the law.

Okay, been resisting but here I go.
Bake (obvs), bread crackers cake cupcakes etc. Did the wedding cake and cupcakes for DD2. Not so much sweet stuff as Mr B swore off sugar.
Jam/Preserves, yes but much less see sugar comment above. Still make crabapple jelly (american style) from my trees + friend. Best thing ever for peanut butter & jam sandwiches.
I have a cooking blog but won't link to it here.
Garden - roses & lavender speciality.
Grandma.
Wild swimming - in fact, we're late. Must go.

I think it’s standard treatment these days. My elderly Mum was in hospital and wanted the toilet. I spoke to the HCA sitting on the ward who checked her notes and said she has a pad. End of conversation.

Favourite books of Pratchett -

I like to read them in series groups and like the one offs a little less. My favourite grouped books are -

The Watch books in particular Night Watch. The line (roughly) 'when they saw their leader had fallen, the men with the lilliac, they fought like tigers. Not skillfully I'll admit but they just took the other side to pieces' always means I have to take a minute to compose myself. Best Watch characters - Vimes, Sybil, Carrot, and I have rather a soft spot for Willikins.

The Witches - who wouldn't love the trio of Granny, Nanny and Magrat. Best book Wyrd Sisters. I love the bit when they're leading the Players on the path to Lancre and keep pretending to be humble wood gatherers. Lawks.

The Moist von Lipwig series - in particular Going Postal. The idea of a name being sent along and back the Clacks network forever is a lovely one. Adora Belle Deerheart (Spike) is a fabulous character, played fantastically by Claire Foy in the two parter tv series.

Tiffany Aching series. There's a lot of nods to Scottish folklore about fairies which is fascinating. (As an aside, that folklore still exists today in Scotland to a certain extent - rowan trees and silver in a pram as the most obvious examples). I also like Tiffany's choice of weapon!

I also like Death and Susan and wish Susan appeared in more books.