NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #41

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37
Thread 38: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378463-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-38
Thread 39: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378747-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-39
Thread 40: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378996-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-40

he was just showing you how to edit your own screen, to help older people understand when these people say they are from your bank and they ask for access to your computer thats what they do and then tell you that you owe them money,

I am wondering if DU has super duper computer skills. (Totally unlike me, I might add, but you'll have worked that out by now).

Not according to his page on Crowdjustice where he is clearly appealing for funds.

This is the first time as observer that a witness has sat side on facing the counsel. We can see his face and he is looking counsel in the eye and seems to be very candid, ie body language matching candid answers (that are not great for JR who is now objecting and has been asked by J to wait her turn).

Oooh, witness didn't produce report (DU's report) that board has appended to Mr Donaldson's witness statement "I haven't produced it but I'm comfortable with it".

CE - should be html files, but there aren't here
PD - no, was asked to produce files in quesiton
CE - no critisism, but there is info
PD - yes CE - native files
PD - ???
CE - no metadata produced
PD - only screen shots CE - you didn't look
PD - no

The cat ate my metadata, Miss.

Jim Borthwick is going to be very interesting.

He was chosen to do this by NHSF management because in the past he'd had some knowledge of IT forensics. In other words, cutting corners.

inexplicable phenomena 😂

It’s a legal term. In Fife

Something like that. The suggestion has been made that he didn't make notes at the time. And that he added stuff after to fit his story. But I'm struggling. The junior is explaining things more clearly now. I think 🤔 😀

PD - DU produced the screenshots, I produced assistence
CE - you provided writtten guidance for DU, DU produced, you gave ?
PD - empty table,
CE - DU filled it in and returned to you?
PD - yes
CE - so DU produced it?
PD - I'm comfortable with it
CE - this doc you did create, response to JB report, wrote summary. Cannot give explanation for dates issue, but do not believe DU tried to mislead. You say you don't believe it, but it is one explanation?
PD - it's a possibility, but I didn't believe..

As an aside, I have been reading Mr Borwick as "Borrick" - as in Warwick- but I stand corrected by CE's pronunciation.

He's a Dr and so very very trustworthy don't we know. Had a glance at the reports dr U producedand looked OK to me guv.

I hope the Judge and panel members have got children to explain to them what this all means. I'm lost.

Further proof, if any were needed, that he's a man!

(Can one make jokes like that? It is a joke, I promise.)

CE - you accept its one explanation that DU is misleading
PD - I don't believe

well obvs, he trusts DrU cos he's a doctor innit?

She’s infuriating.

From TT

CE - should be html files, but there aren't here
PD - no, was asked to produce files in quesiton
CE - no critisism, but there is info
PD - yes
CE - native files
PD - ???
CE - no metadata produced
PD - only screen shots

Fifer : Screen shots aye? The tool of the rank amateur. METADATA. DO YOU SPEAK IT?

CE - you didn't look
PD - no
CE - you dodnt enter artifacts
PD- no
JR - this is PD's document
CE - i don't
PD - DU produced the screenshots, I produced assistence
CE - you provided writtten guidance for DU, DU produced, you gave ?
PD - empty table,
CE - DU filled it in and returned to you?
PD - yes
CE - so DU produced it?

Fifer : very cosy. A few wee screenshots fae Dr Uption. "Backgroond in forensics", ye aw heard him say it. What is forensic aboot askin a body tae give us a screenshot. Fuckin nothing forensic aboot that, ah'll tell ye that for kirk a. So far fae forensic ye'd need tae git three different buses tae be able tae see forensic.

PD - I'm comfortable with it

Fifer : he's comfortable with it. Forensic backgroond, coupla jpgs, quite comfy. Fuckin dingy woosh.

CE - this doc you did create, response to JB report, wrote summary. Cannot give explanation for dates issue, but do not believe DU tried to mislead. You say you don't believe it, but it is one explanation?
PD - it's a possibility, but I didn't believe

Fifer : forensic backgroond, expert in takin the subject of a fuckin investigation's word for it and gettin sent a coupla fuckin jpgs. Are ye hearin this abject pish min.

CE - a little on how this exercise conducted. Propositions, agree/disagree. first most reliable way to ensure reliable/ integrthy - a forensic investigation

No idea what this means, but it looks pleasantly intimidating😃

I've just read in my current book of a baby girl in Scotland who was named after both her late father and the war cemetery in which he was buried - Vermelles Hughina Munro.

Like the singer Dionne Warwick, whose surname is pronounced War-wick?

Continuation thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42

I think his super duper skills are about to be exposed as not quite super duper enough to hide his attempts to hide things.

We had no reason to believe Dr..Upton was leading us up the garden path.

What about now? Do you now?.
Do you in hindsight think he had you doing star jumps, cartwheels and rolypolies up and down that garden path like squirrels on red bull? Do you?