NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #36

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35

KS just said 'You don't know that for sure. ' to NC😱
Lèse-majesté!

"Foot-in-mouth syndrome epidemic in Kilkardy, tribunal hears" Wrote it for you, BBC.

I can't see how this cross-examination can end today. Looking at the other issues, things have only just started.

Haha OMG..challenging Naomi now about whether she can PROVE it. Oh dear oh dear

No. The headers are generated automatically and are not normally shown when you look at an email. If you are using a normal email client like Outlook, you can't edit the headers.

KS I cant belive we wld have held back emails
😂

@PipMumsnet @MNHQ

Please explain why my post was deleted. I didn’t get a notification that it was deleted. Is this usual? You can email me.

The email that seems to have been removed from an email chain which on the face of it was started by KS, but was possibly started by MG from HR, is the one where HR said ED should not be investigator.

And there it is:

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1947665504950505538?s=46

“NC It talks about the Ix, and how ED will be the investigator, it appears to be to set and coordinate a group of ppl who shldnt be talking to each other as witnesses. It talks about info not leaving the group and foot in mouth syndrome. it's serious isnt it?”

😲

slippery one 😆

You can't prove these emailed are linked. 😱

Sudden outbreak of amnesia

From TT

KS You don't know that for sure. It cld have been deleted. These ppl are in the cc box and not the to box. I wonder if someone has relied, deleted and then cc-ed? Otherwise e'one wld be in the to box.
NC They're the same ppl, except DU was added in in Jan. You can understand why ppl wldnt have wanted this email see the light of day?
KS I cant belive we wld have held back emails

THREE GREENS show on NC's ring, one further light remains yellow-green.

NC The 5 Jan email is seriously embarrasing to the Rs. It talks about the Ix, and how ED will be the investigator, it appears to be to set and coordinate a group of ppl who shldnt be talking to each other as witnesses. It talks about info not leaving the group and foot in mouth syndrome. it's serious isnt it?

The ring didn't need an answer. At the end of 'isn't it' the fourth light switches to steady green.

Boom!!

I should have screenshotted it. Interestingly Justine updated the guidance on sex and gender discussions in June 2025. Previously the guidelines dated 2018.

NC is on fire

The 'we' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

🧨

DAMN

What are the implications for this?

I'm a doctor I never lie lmaooooo

My jaw is on the floor here!

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1947665871394029765?s=46

“KS I agree we shldnt have written these things in this group. I cant say whether it's been withheld. I dont think u can prove the emails were linked
NC These emails werent produced for the 1st hearings were they?
KS It appears not
NC There were 6 of you in this chain”

6 people failing to disclose… oooooohhhh dear!!!!

From TT -

KS I agree we shldnt have written these things in this group.

I'm amazed that she's made such a declaration and not tried to say a big boy did it and ran away.

The silence from JR is deafening.

I ❤Naomi

That's what I mean - computer expert will point out how the In-reply-to: and References: headers reveal messages with edited subjects were replies, and if to any unrevealed mails.