NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #34

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-sil
ence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

I've never heard any of these words for a latch. I didn't really know what a latch was honestly. I googled the one mentioned earlier, google knows the scots one.

Sommat must be happening for all this delay!

JR has thrown in the towel?
Big Sond has been found sobbing in a corner that he can't take any more of this nonsense?
Red Bull-fueled squirrels have over-run the courtroom, like the time Prof Lockhart brought pixies to class at Hogwarts and let them go?
Someone has made good on their threat and staged a protest/citizen's arrest?

Currently I'm 34. But I might be 35 later today.

In South Wales we have a word for them - gibbons (pronounced with a soft g - i.e. jibbons). The sounds are very similar - I wonder if the words have the same root?

Oh yes - 'face like a skelped airse'.

For the swivel-eyed look...

De-lurking to suggest what we called "deely boppers" back in the land of the 1980s. Those bouncy ball things on springs you'd wear on a plastic headband.

Stick on a pair of googly eyes and Bob identifies as your uncle.

Oh yes, he has a face like a well skelped arse, skelped is definitely in use.

I didn't know the Irish used Scallions. American recipes confuse me, broiler whats wrong with grill?

10.49am Message from the clerk, hearing will start soon.

66. I make a great celery soup.

It's your birthday?

I believe DrU may have a case against Fife but he has undermined it.

DrU believed he was following Fife’s policy and his superiors e.g. KS and EP, confirmed he was. He also potentially has a claim for them not following the investigation procedures - had they done an independent and timely investigation the facts would have come out much earlier.

DrU has however dropped themselves in it by not following Fife’s incident reporting system and, may have breached GDPR by recording and keeping data on his personal phone.

By having a single legal team jointly represent Fife and DrU this limits his ability to complain about Fife because he must have agreed to this.

It appears from my screen that the hearing will start soon.

I use a mix of crème fraîche and mayo, then waxy potatoes, finely chopped shallot or red onion, gherkins and a few capers.

I’m 75 and in the USA so chronically 5 hours behind most of you - just happen to be awake early today.

It needs to start soon. I'm online shopping to pass the time.

Wasn’t it for consultants only and Upton wasn’t a consultant (or at least identify as one) so it makes perfect sense that, although not female, he could change in the women’s CR (and you’re a bigot if you don’t agree)!

I am always baffled by the confusion over outwith. It seems like the most obvious way to say it!

Mind you, I completely confused an English friend when I said a picture was squint. He obviously thought I'd lost it. He's going 'squint? Like eyes?' and I (just as confused) was going 'no? It's squint!'

We worked it out eventually.

Mid 40s here!

I identify as 21, although I may be lying as much as Upton.
As for the picnic rights hoarding dinosaurs may have had claws and as we are all CLAW then maybe crab salad.

239 and a half😇

It is isnt it!!
yeah i think it was snick and my childhood ears probably heard snig and it stuck definitely wasnt thinking of a log or an eel lol

Ooh, gherkins and capers, two of my very favourite things! I wonder if I could add anchovies? Because that would make it perfect.

<wanders off to kitchen as I'm hungry now>

That statement on Friday, though. (I'm only just catching up). Seems to me it only marginally stops short of accusing NC of unprofessional conduct.

As to 'a threat' of violence. Of course any threat of the kind is one too many. And I have to hard eye-roll given the number and seriousness of threats levelled at any woman daring to take issue with this movement - including the placards at the more recent protests and their depictions of exactly what they'd like to do to 'TERFS'.

Do the police or anyone else take these seriously? Do they fuck. Women, as ever, are fair game.

I'm 45 but identify as 23.